Chapter 52 third quarter

In June 1968, the General Office of the Central Military Commission officially issued an order to arrest Ye Qisun.When someone put handcuffs on him and pushed him into a military jeep without any explanation, Ye Qisun was indifferent and speechless. He closed his eyes tightly and let him manipulate him at will.The day has finally arrived.When he lost his beloved disciple Xiong Dazhen, he seemed to have a premonition that this day would eventually come.This was his destined catastrophe, like a dark cloud hovering above his head, which had been stagnant for decades, and today it finally fell like a grand curtain, covering him all around.

After walking for an unknown amount of time, the jeep stopped in front of a dark cabin.In the afternoon of that day, Ye Qisun began the first interrogation of the eight interrogations he had been held in custody.Based on the responsibility for history, in order to reproduce the character and demeanor of Ye Qisun in a specific environment, the 8 trials recorded in the book "The Cornerstone of Chinese Science and Technology" are hereby excerpted as follows: The first interrogation (September 3, 1968, start: 14:35, end: 18:00. Interrogators: Yun XX, Li XX, Sun XX, Liu XX) Question: Your crime is serious... Tell me about your relationship with Xiong Dazhen! !

Ye: Xiong Dazhen’s trip to Jizhong was sent to Jizhong by a man surnamed Huang from the church in Beijing.This passage was told by Xiong Dazhen at the Tsinghua Alumni Association in Tianjin.I opposed Xiong Dazhen's going to Jizhong. Xiong Dazhen came to Tianjin from Jizhong on the Dragon Boat Festival in 1938.Liu Wei came to Tianjin and handed me a note, which was written by Xiong Dazhen himself. The letter said that he would introduce Liu Wei to join you (Liu Wei was on behalf of Xiong Dazhen to work in Tianjin, and was sent by Xiong Dazhen to communicate with me. connector).In Jizhong Lu Zhengcao is the leader, and it can also be said that Liu Wei represents Jizhong.Soon I went to Wang Chongzhi on behalf of (take) Liu Wei, and met Wang.I know that Wang is a CC spy, and my attitude is to support the Nanjing government.

Question: What are you looking for with Wang? Ye: Liu Wei and I went to see Wang Chongzhi to deal with the raw materials of explosives. Not long after Liu Wei arrived in Tianjin for a few days, I took him to Wang Chongzhi’s house. I introduced Liu Wei to Wang Chongzhi. I told Wang Chongzhi that Liu Wei came from Jizhong, on behalf of Xiong Dazhen, and was also under the leadership of Lu Zhengcao. After seeing me, Liu Wei said, (1) Jizhong needs explosives, radios, and thunder mercury... Question: We look at the problem rather than the phenomenon, and explain the essential problem. Ye: My position is to stand with Chiang Kai-shek and support the Nanjing government. This is a clear position.

Question: Why did you bring Liu Wei to Wang Chongzhi?what relationship? Ye: I took Liu Wei to talk to Wang Chongzhi about the explosives, and asked Wang to help with the raw materials.Wang said he tried to find a way to help.For radio problems, he said that he could ask Wang Yuqing (Wang Ruoxi) for help. Later, when he met Wang Yuqing at Wang Chongzhi's house, Wang Yuqing said that the radio parts could be solved for him, but that he needed another person to assemble the radio.Wang Yuqing found two people, one named Jin Yonggui and the other named Gu Zongzhi.This is the second time at Wang Chongzhi's house, there are Wang Yuqing, Liu Wei, Xiong Dazhen, me (Ye Qisun), maybe Wang Yuqing was looking for by Wang Chongzhi or Xiong Dazhen.

Question: Who did Wang Yuqing send Gu Zongzhi and Jin Yonggui (Li Xue) to? Ye: I can't tell.The radio was in the Tsinghua Alumni Association, and I arranged to do the radio in a room on the third floor. I was the person in charge of the temporary office of Tsinghua University, and the two of them came to find me.Soon, Xiong Dazhen came. It was the Dragon Boat Festival. He came from Jizhong to Tianjin and lived in the Tsinghua Alumni Association.After Xiong Dazhen came, he told me about the situation in central Jizhong: (1) the currency situation; (2) the economic and commercial situation; (3) the traffic situation; (4) the military situation, not much.I told Xiong Dazhen that Lu Zhengcao should get in touch with Lu Zhonglin. This is my opinion. Xiong Dazhen agreed with my opinion and said that it depends on the situation.At that time, we set a code on the issue of Lu Lu, and exchanged information with Xiong Dazhen using the code word "Lu Lu is married".

Q: What is the purpose?The purpose of Lu Lu's marriage? Yeh: My purpose is to support Chiang Kai-shek. Question: Who was Lu Zhengcao under the leadership at that time? Ye: It is led by the Communist Party. Question: Who was Lu Zhonglin under the leadership at that time? Ye: It was led by Chiang Kai-shek. Question: Who do you propose to lead after the "Lu Lu Marriage"? Ye: I support Chiang Kai-shek, led by Chiang Kai-shek. Question: After explaining how to engage in marriage with Lu and Lu and communicate information. Ye: I left Tianjin for Shanghai on October 5, 1938, and arrived in Hong Kong at the end of October. I received a letter from Xiong Dazhen in Hong Kong on November 10. Xiong Dazhen sent it from Tianjin to Hong Kong.The letter talked about "Lu Lu's marriage" and other situations, and said in the letter: "Brother Lin has a bad impression of Sheng and others today, and now I will explain it in detail for Sheng, the feeling of unhappiness is gone, and I am willing to cooperate with Sheng to edit science books. The meaning of this passage is that Lin Feng is dissatisfied with participating in the work of Jizhong, "editing scientific books", this sentence refers to the issue of participating in the work of Jizhong.

Question: Xiong Dazhen works in Jizhong and cooperates with Lin Feng to "edit science books". You must explain the real problem! Ye: I can't tell... Question: What does Southern Home refer to? Ye: It refers to the Southwest Associated University.I wrote back 2-3 letters to the bear, I can't remember the contents.I returned to Kunming from Hong Kong at the end of November 1938. In March 1939, Zhu Jiahua sent me a telegram from Chongqing.How did Zhu Jiahua know about Xiong Dazhen's arrest?Zhu learned about it from the Tianjin Party, Government and Military Office.The Tianjin Party, Government and Military Office knew that I was very close to Xiong Dazhen, so they asked Zhu Jiahua to call me a telegram. After I received Zhu Jiahua's telegram, I wrote back to Zhu Jiahua, asking Zhu Jiahua to rescue Xiong Dazhen.

Question: What actions were taken to rescue Xiong Dazhen? Ye: I went to Kunming from April to May 1939 to seek help from Tao Menghe (director of the Institute of Social Sciences, under the leadership of Ye Qisun) of the Academia Sinica of the Kuomintang in Kunming, and asked them to ask someone to help rescue Xiong Dazhen, but soon after I heard that Xiong Dazhen died on Kunming Road.Can't remember who said it. Ye Qisun (signature, handprint) September 7, 1968 The second interrogation (September 4, 1968, start: 8:40, end: 11:5. Interrogators: Yun XX, Li XX, Sun XX, Liu XX) Q: What activities do you have in Chongqing?

Ye: I have known Zhu Jiahua since 1918. We went to America together. We met on the Nanjing steamer in August 1918.Zhu went to New York and I went to Chicago.I returned to China in March 1924 and worked as an associate professor in the Department of Physics at Southeast University in Nanjing. In 1933, he met with Zhu Jiahua when the Nanjing Academia Sinica opened its review meeting.He is in the geological group, I am a commentator, the speaker is Cai Yuanpei, and the head of the physics group is Ding Xielin (now called Ding Xilin) ​​or Li Shuhua. Since 1941, I have had many contacts with Zhu Jiahua. In the spring and summer of 1941, I received (received) a letter from Zhu Jiahua in Kunming, asking me to work at the Academia Sinica of the Kuomintang government as the director-general.At that time, Zhu Jiahua was the president of the academy, the head of the reactionary secret service within the Kuomintang, and the head of the Organization Department of the Central Committee.After I accepted Zhu Jiahua's invitation to go to Chongqing to be the director-general of Academia Sinica, I asked Zhu Jiahua to come to the institute once a week.Sun Yat-sen commemoration week, I also went because I was the director-general. The meeting place was the Central Party Headquarters of the Kuomintang. People I knew at the meeting were Weng Wenhao, Gu Yuxiu (Vice Minister of Education), Hang Liwu, Chen Lifu (Minister of Education), Duan Xipeng (People from the training group were with Chen Lifu).

I gave two presentations to the Central Training Corps.The Central Training Corps trains and trains political reactionaries, and all those who participate in the training are (KMT) party members.I gave lectures twice, and the leaders of the central training group were Chen Lifu, Duan Xipeng, and Zhu Jiahua. The two reports I gave to the Central Training Corps were in response to the appointment letters of the Central Training Corps. The contents of the reports were "scientific issues", "mathematics, physics and chemistry", and the importance of science. I was in Chongqing from September 1941 to June 1943 for about two years. In 1942, I was invited to speak in English on the utilization of materials at the Chongqing Radio Station. Before September 1941, the Academia Sinica, the Geographical Research Institute run by the Sino-British Board of Directors, the Southwest Associated University, and Central University set up a Northwest Expedition Group. Zhu Jiahua was the person in charge. I have seen the Northwest Expedition group report. I participated in the National Defense Scientific Research Committee of the Kuomintang in Chongqing, which was organized by the Ministry of Education.The persons in charge of this committee are Chen Lifu and Gu Yuxiu, and I am a member.This committee was established in 1942 and I was invited by the Ministry of Education. I gave a report at this meeting, the content is radio, optics, aviation and other scientific research issues. I also participated in exchanges with Joseph Needham in Chongqing. He was sent to China by the United Kingdom and was a member of the British Academic Council.I went to the airport to welcome him. Zhu Jiahua and Chen Lifu both summoned him, and I also went to his office. I introduced the situation of Chinese science and universities to him, and wrote the situation of Academia Sinica in English to Joseph Needham. . Q: What else have you done in the (KMT) party? Ye: Regarding the issue of stamping my seal on the collection of Kuomintang tuition fees, because Zhu Jiahua is a party member and I am one of the heads of the research institute—the director-general, my seal is placed in Wang Yihou, the director of general affairs, so my stamp is stamped. Question: Since you are not a party member, why does the party charge to stamp your seal? Ye: It should be stamped by Zhu Jiahua, why mine is stamped, I don't know. Ye Qisun (signature, fingerprint) September 7, 1968 The third interrogation (September 4, 1968, start: 14:30; end: 18:15. Interrogators: Yun XX, Sun XX, Liu XX) Question: After Xiong Dazhen arrived in Tianjin, explain your activities and contacts. Ye: On the eve of liberation in 1948, Mei Yiqi told me that a Tsinghua base should be established in Fujian. Beijing was liberated very quickly, but this matter was not completed. Regarding Tsinghua’s financial problems, I asked Mei Yiqi to keep a financial account for myself on the eve of liberation, and I wanted to go to Nanjing with him when Beijing was liberated (liberated). Question: Explain your relationship with Xiong Dazhen. Ye: Xiong Dazhen and I met in 1932. In 1933, I took him on a tour. Every summer, I toured with him during the summer vacation.Bear lived in my house after graduation in 1935. Question: If we show evidence that you not only know but also that you are his backer, will you still admit to knowing? Ye: ...I don't write guarantees or anything in writing.I can only say that I don't know. At the beginning of October 1937, I stayed at the Tsinghua Alumni Association. I was the person in charge of the temporary office of Tsinghua University. I was introduced by Wang Chongzhi to the Party, Government and Military Office in Tianjin to meet Wang Yuqing and Xu Huidong. The place where we first talked was the Party, Government and Military Office. The time was around the Dragon Boat Festival, and the people present included Wang Yuqing, Xu Huidong, Xiong Dazhen, and me.The content of the conversation was that Jizhong needs explosives, radios, and radio stations.I want them to help with it and find someone else to fix it.Xu Huidong agreed with Wang Yuqing's opinion. Our second meeting was still at the Party, Government and Military Office, after the Dragon Boat Festival. The participants included Wang Yuqing, Xu Huidong, Xiong Dazhen, and me.The content of this conversation is still about radio stations and explosives. Q: What is your source of funding and where is it going? Ye: Zhang Ruiqing in Tianjin costs 30 to 40 yuan a month, and Lin Feng makes about 60 to 70 yuan a month.Our 18,000 yuan may be funded by Tsinghua University. I don’t know the financial source. Zhang Ruiqing is younger than me and has a good memory. I admit what he explained, but I can’t remember.Xiong Dazhen sent me two letters back to Jizhong, but I can’t remember the contents clearly. Question: Your attitude is honest or not! ! Ye: I am honest, I am a scientist, I... I am honest. Question: The radio stations, codes, call signs, and wavelengths that Liu Wei brought from Xiong Dazhen in Jizhong... have you explained? Ye: I didn't explain...forgot. (Want to confess, but the interrogator did not ask to confess) Q: Tell me first, which radio station do you use to power up the bear? Ye: After I arrived in Hong Kong, I asked Du Guangzu, director of the office of the Hong Kong Resources Committee, to send a telegram to Jizhong Xiong Dazhen on the radio station of the Resources Committee. The content said that I had arrived in Hong Kong in early November 1938. Cleared up. Q: Which password to use? Ye: Use the resource board password. Question: You use the password of the Hong Kong Resources Council. Xiong Dazhen’s radio station is in Jizhong. How did his radio station receive the password of the Hong Kong Resources Council?You honestly explain the password problem! Ye: ...This...This password should be given to Xiong by the Tianjin Party, Government and Military Office, because Xiong Dazhen often goes to the Tianjin Party, Government and Military Office. Ye Qisun (signature, fingerprint) September 7, 1968 The fourth interrogation (September 4, 1968, start: 19:10, end: 22:10. Interrogators: Liu, Yun, Sun) Question: Continue to explain the problem of using the radio station! Ye: After the Dragon Boat Festival in 1938, Xiong Dazhen came to Tianjin and told me at the Tsinghua Alumni Association that he could use the password of the Hong Kong Resources Committee Radio Station to telegraph them after arriving in Hong Kong. Question: You say you are against the Communist Party, but you can’t get over it unless you present the facts... Ye: Yes, I called Xiong Dazhen to engage in "Lulu Marriage" to show that I am against the Communist Party; I used to be against the Soviet Union and Stalin.I haven't had time to study Lenin yet, so I haven't publicly opposed Lenin. Question: Explain your relationship with Liu Wei in Tianjin. Ye: I brought Liu Wei to Wang Chongzhi's house and talked with Wang about the need for supplies in Jizhong. I first told Wang that Liu Wei was from Jizhong and was sent by Xiong Dazhen.Wang Chongzhi said he could help.I can't remember what Liu Wei said.The second time I went to cc Wang's house, I also took Liu Wei there.Wang Yuqing was at Wang Chongzhi's house, and the content of our conversation was still materials such as explosives, radio stations, and assembly.Wang Yuqing said that the radio station found someone to assemble it by itself. People who often go to the Tsinghua Alumni Association include Zhang Ruiqing, Li Guangxin, Anguo Church (possibly Brother Bolu), and a priest from the Catholic Church. After the Dragon Boat Festival in 1938, Xiong Dazhen and I went to Winter’s place in Beijing. I talked with Winter about the situation in Central Hebei, including the economy, transportation, and currency. We didn’t talk much about the military situation.I saw some communist report materials at Winter's place.I asked Winter to bring a detailed map to Tianjin.Xiong Dazhen and Winter talked about the economy and currency, but not much about the military situation.I live in the Beijing Hotel, but I don't know where Xiong Dazhen lives. Ye Qisun (signature, fingerprint) September 7, 1968 The fifth interrogation (September 5, 1968, start: 14:35, end: 18:00. Interrogators: Yun XX, Sun XX, Liu XX) Ye: Regarding the 5,000 yuan that Huang Zhong sent me, there is a high possibility that Liu Wei mentioned it.I'm old, 30 years apart, and probably can't remember.So there might be something about this. Question: After Xiong Dazhen arrived in Tianjin, what were your contacts and conversations? Ye: I am not in favor of Xiong going to Jizhong.He came to Tianjin from Jizhong. I told Xiong that I would go to Kunming with me, which means that after the work is over, if you don’t follow me to the south, I will ask Xiong Dazhen to do Lu Lu’s marriage work in Jizhong. Lu Zhengcao’s anti-Japanese plan should be Contacting Lu Zhonglin, Lu Lu got married and should be led by Lu Lu. Question: You asked Xiong Dazhen to plot against Lu Zhengcao and return to the deer. What is the purpose? Ye: Support Chiang Kai-shek. Question: Since you support Chiang Kai-shek, why did you (send) some people in Tianjin to Jizhong?Pay them?Isn't this a great contradiction? Ye: This... This question seems to be contradictory now... I didn't see it at the time.Yes, there are contradictions, I admit. Question: If you admit that there is a contradiction, then you must explain the substance of the contradiction. Ye: I told Xiong Dazhen that when we went to Jizhong, we should expand the leadership area of ​​the Kuomintang in Hebei Province, ask Xiong Dazhen to do a good job in marrying Lu and Lu, and strengthen contact and negotiation.This proposition and opinion of mine made Xiong Dazhen go astray.I have errors. Question: What is the nature of the error? Ye: It hurt the Eighth Route Army. Question: Did it damage or disintegrate the Eighth Route Army? Ye: There are many Eighth Route soldiers, and only one Lu Zhengcao can't disintegrate them. Q: What is the essence of this practice? Ye: Expand the forces of Chiang Kai-shek and the areas under the leadership of the Kuomintang government in Hebei Province, and reduce the areas under the leadership and strength of the Eighth Route Army.I'm guilty.I did this because I opposed the Communist Party in my mind and supported Chiang Kai-shek's regime. Q: You write an apology. Ye Qisun (signature, fingerprint) September 7, 1968 The sixth interrogation (September 6, 1968, start: 8:30, end: 11:15. Interrogators: Liu, Yun, Sun) Ye: In early November 1938, I sent a telegram from Hong Kong to Jizhong Xiong Dazhen.The first time I went to Hong Kong, I had two intentions. The second time was in July 1939. I hoped to ask about the situation of the people who went to Hebei from Tianjin and how the tasks were completed. Q: Who do you ask for these information? Ye: I sent a telegram and letter to Zhu Yide. I forgot the content. Maybe I asked him to come back. The content of the telegram was that Southwest Associated University started classes, so I couldn’t go to Hong Kong, so I had to go on summer vacation.I hope he will come to Kunming so that I can ask him about his situation, mainly about the people who go to work from Tianjin to Jizhong. My telegram was sent to Hong Kong. I forgot the detailed location. I can’t remember the content of my letter to him. .The letter was sent from Kunming to Hong Kong.Zhu Yide thought reactionary.Sun Lu and Xiong Dazhen have a good relationship, and Sun Lu has more reactionary ideas. Sun Lu and Xiong Dazhen have a relationship and connection with a reactionary organization, an underground spy organization, and a reactionary organization of the Kuomintang.Xiong Dazhen told me that Sun Lu told him that he (Xiong) went to Beijing to find someone surnamed Huang.Sun Lu told me that the surname Huang knew the situation in Jizhong.You can contact Huang about Xiong's arrival in Jizhong, and Huang later introduced Xiong to Jizhong. Sun Lu and I met once in June-July 1938 at the Tsinghua Alumni Association in Tianjin.He and I talked a little bit about the Loyalty and National Salvation Army.What was obvious in Sun Lu's conversation was that he had close ties with the Loyalty and National Salvation Army, supported the Loyalty and National Salvation Army, and knew the situation and location of the Loyalty and National Salvation Army.Sun Lu also told me that the Loyalty and National Salvation Army was part of the anti-Japanese army.As far as I know, the Loyalty and National Salvation Army is the armed forces of the big landlords, and it protects the interests of the landlord class. Question: Why did Sun Lu talk to you about these issues? Ye: He came to me because I was anti-Communist and reactionary in thinking.Xiong Dazhen and I are very good, and Xiong Dazhen and Sun Lu are also very good, so Sun Lu came to me.When I went to Kunming, I wrote a reactionary article and published it publicly, in which I supported Chiang Kai-shek’s regime and mentioned that the Loyalty and National Salvation Army was anti-Japanese.Information about the Loyalty and National Salvation Army was provided by Sun Lu.In this article I also mentioned some anti-Japanese situations in Jizhong.The above shows that my article is reactionary and wrong. (The article was published in the first issue of "Today's Review" in January 1939) Ye Qisun (signature, fingerprint) September 7, 1968 The seventh interrogation (September 6, 1968, start: 14:50, end 18:00. Interrogators: Yun XX, Sun XX, Liu XX, Mi XX) Ye: When I was in Tsinghua University in 1947, Sun Lu came to Beijing Tsinghua University from Tianjin to find me. I introduced Sun Lu to Nankai as an assistant professor in the Department of Chemistry.My letter of introduction was addressed to Yang Shixian, dean of the School of Science at Nankai University (he was also the chairman of the school committee after liberation). Question: What is your relationship with Du Guangzu? Ye: Classmate relationship. Question: The radio station is a confidential thing. Can the relationship between classmates ask you to use the radio station? Ye: It may be that the Tianjin Party, Government and Military Office called the Hong Kong office. Ye Qisun (signature, fingerprint) September 7, 1968 The eighth interrogation (September 7, 1968, start: 8:40, end: 11:00. Interrogators: Li XX, Yun XX, Sun XX) Question: Continue to explain the issue of Lu Lu's marriage. Ye: About 10 days after the Dragon Boat Festival in 1938, in the Tsinghua Alumni Association, I told Xiong Dazhen that Lu Zhengcao’s anti-Japanese plan should get in touch with Lu Zhonglin, and after the contact, he should be led by Lu. What I mean I asked Lu Zhengcao and Lu Zhonglin to talk directly through Xiong Dazhen and Lu Zhengcao. I do not advocate the use of force to solve the Lu Zhengcao problem, but to use the method of negotiation to be led by Lu Zhonglin, so as to expand the area under the leadership of the Kuomintang government in Hebei Province. Question: Who was Lu Zhengcao under the leadership at that time? Ye: Under the leadership of Chairman Mao. Question: Who was Lu Zhonglin under the leadership at that time? Ye: Under the leadership of Chiang Kai-shek. Question: What is the problem with you marrying Lu Lu and being led by Lu Lu? Ye: I support the Chiang regime. Q: Explain the specific problem. Ye: It may be that the Tianjin Party, Government and Military Office asked Xiong Dazhen to do Lu Zhengcao's work, and used materials such as radio stations to draw Lu Zhengcao to Lu Zhonglin's side. My "possibility" is still well-founded.We asked the party, government and military offices for radio stations, explosives, etc.Before Xiong Dazhen and I talked about Lu Lu’s marriage, we also talked about it in the Party, Government and Military Office. I can't remember whether Wei participated in it), it is very likely that Xiong Dazhen was present. The opinions of Wang Ruoxi and Xu Huidong, the main persons in charge of the party, government and army, on the Lu Lu issue are: Lu Lu wants to contact and expand the leading area of ​​the Kuomintang government in Hebei Province, and bring Lu back to Lu to lead. The method of expansion is consultation and contact. This is Xu Huidong's opinion. Said.This opinion was also put forward by Xu Huidong, I also have this opinion, and I agree with it.I agree with this opinion because the Chiang Kai-shek regime has sent people to Hebei Province, and there is a provincial government chairman. Therefore, I advocate that the anti-Japanese plan in Hebei and China should be united and have a general plan, that is, Lu Zhengcao's troops should be led by Lu Zhonglin.Xu Huidong first expressed his opinion at the meeting. Wang Ruoxi agreed with Xu Huidong's opinion. Xu Huidong is the advocate. I agree, and I also have this opinion. Xiong Dazhen also agrees with Xu Huidong's opinion. I went to the party, government and military office for a meeting this time, probably Xiong Dazhen notified me to go.There were 5-6 people who participated in this meeting, including Wang Ruoxi, Xu Huidong, myself, Xiong Dazhen, and I can't remember the others. Ye Qisun (signature, fingerprint) September 7, 1968 Just like Xiong Dazhen admitted that he was a Kuomintang CC spy, Ye Qisun and his students "confessed" the same answer under the same harsh political environment.