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But, speaking from an optimistic point of view, even though we have all kinds of problems, like me, after living in the United States for so many years and moving back, I still feel that this place is messy and lively on the one hand.It has a lot of irregularities, pediatrics, embarrassment, and a lot of things that make you want to jump off a building, but there are also all kinds of interesting things happening, including those people and things that make you laugh and cry.Precisely because the changes are fast, there are many things that cannot be grasped and cannot be seen clearly, and it is difficult to predict tomorrow, so maybe you can do something.And you will be moved by the people who are sober and persistent in this environment, and you will especially respect them.This kind of life has its unique charm.

Liu Suola: Yes, yes, the Chinese have experienced so many turmoil, and there is a mentality that is not found anywhere-you can let yourself be outside it at any time.Because we've been through so much loss, it doesn't really matter how much we lose.On the one hand, everyone wants to live in heaven, but they can enjoy hell at any time.The flood in Beijing two days ago was caused by heavy rain. On the second day, the headlines on the front page of the newspaper said that Beijingers were so excited about it.If this kind of emotion is very sad in any other country, the house is flooded, the property is gone, the emotions are confused, etc., foreign residents will say, why don't they dig the ditches under such heavy rain?How does the insurance company compensate?But Beijingers said, I have never seen Beijing flooded like this in my life, and it rained so hard. I was not afraid at all, but I was too excited and thought it was too fun.This is really a typical mentality of Beijingers, you have to watch the excitement when the sky is falling.

Zha Jianying: People in Beijing have a mentality of viewing life as a big drama. He thinks that this drama has to be full of gongs and drums, and something will happen. Some people will get rich, and some people may be unlucky. Fans, there are stories to tell when you enjoy the shade.I also don't want to let the grandson inherit any property, whether it is ready or not, I don't bother to think about it. Liu Suola: No, there is no such plan. This is the charm of Beijingers.Beijingers like to make do with it. If you are happy today, everyone will be happy, and you will not know tomorrow.Today is the day.How many social changes and dynasties have changed in Beijing, so the special psychology of Beijingers is something that foreigners don’t understand. Foreigners are anxious when they see the situation of Beijingers, saying how can you be so negative Yeah, why don't you do something?Beijingers said, what are you doing?Isn't that great?I think this kind of reaction from Beijingers is very special and very comfortable. It is rare in the world, and it is very good.

Zha Jianying: You can’t get around this, this place is our hometown, good or bad, it will always grab your heart, you miss it and hope it will be better.Unlike the United States or Europe, the institutions are all established, the society is very mature, and it has been established for several generations. Everything is carried out on a stable track. What kind of job to look for, and then what kind of house and car you will probably buy after how old you are, and then start raising the next generation, how and what, and then pension.It's reassuring, but I feel that if it becomes a kind of inertia, it will be depressing and boring.It’s enjoyable, but it’s a bit awkward to just sit back and enjoy the success. After all, it’s someone else’s “success”: generations of people have worked hard to pave the road and plant big trees, and you take a ride to enjoy the shade.

Liu Sola: So again, if you have a normal mentality, it’s fun to think about what happened in the 1980s. It’s like a flood in Beijing. Suddenly, there was a heavy rain, and the roads were full of ditches and sewers. Everything is blocked, water is pooled on the road, cars are not moving, cabbage and tomatoes are floating on the water, everyone goes crazy, and then feels very happy.Isn't that how it felt in the 1980s? Cha Jianying: It is also a play.You can say that Liu Zaifu was the director of the Institute of Literature of the Academy of Social Sciences. At that time, he gave a lecture on literary subjectivity, and it was said that tens of thousands of people attended it; he held a poetry reading in the park, and it was full of people; Translating Nietzsche and Heidegger can actually become a bestseller.

Liu Suola: Yes, the kind of modern concerts in our class can sell tickets on the black market.So foreign people don't believe it, how can a composer's modern concert sell black market tickets?It's the same as pop music, how is it possible?They all feel very strange.But these things happened, and it was a fun time. Zha Jianying: So there is a very contradictory thing in people's hearts. On the one hand, he hopes to be a normal person. On the other hand, he feels bored if he is too normal, so he hopes that some abnormal things will happen. He can have When I go crazy.Just like rationality and irrationality, he cannot always be rational, and he will turn to irrationality at the end of rationality.

Liu Suola: So on the other hand, we can’t criticize the 1980s for being too ruthless. We can’t criticize the 1980s completely... Cha Jianying: In fact, it is quite cute. Liu Suola: The changes of all times are like that flooded highway. Standing in it and playing with water and garbage, isn't it the same feeling? Zha Jianying: Of course, flooding is definitely not the norm.Three hundred and sixty-five days a year, you will definitely drown in floods, but sometimes you feel very excited after such a scene. Liu Suola: The tide of the times does not come every 365 days of the year, and the trend of the 1980s does not happen all the time, just once, and there will be no more in the future.Fewer than earthquakes.Looking back, you can only watch it, you can't turn it into a burden, and you can't turn that excitement into the focus of your future life.Life doesn't have to have that serendipitous excitement every day, that aura, that luck...

Cha Jianying: Hit the big luck... Liu Suola: Living in the feeling of being lucky forever, it’s actually quite boring.Life is not like this.If someone gets lucky, understand that it was an accident and it's over. Zha Jianying: And to be honest, people's psychological endurance is also limited. People actually need to live on a flat foundation, and then sometimes there will be some waves, and sometimes thunder and lightning.
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