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Zha Jianying: Yes, regardless of mainstream or alternative, there should be a coexistence and mutual benefit mentality.A while ago, during the controversy over Peking University’s education reform, a friend used a term called “kawei” when explaining to me the conflict of interests between “returnees” and “turtle” scholars, which seemed to have come from Taiwan.For example, if there are only ten jobs, whoever occupies the ten jobs first will have difficulty competing for those who come later, even if your conditions are better.In places where resources and space are limited and there is a lack of fair competition, "stuck" is prone to occur, which triggers people's narrow and exclusive instinct and the mentality of having me but not you.The socialist color in the 1980s was more intense, and it seemed that there were not many such things.

Liu Sola: In the 1980s, there was a spirit of mutual assistance, because at that time everyone was very simple and wanted to do things well together. They always explored some artistic innovations together, and were also moved by the achievements of others.Maybe it's because our world was small back then, and no one looked too far.When I go abroad, I find that there are so many international benefits waiting. These benefits represent a huge difference in the quality of life, such as international funds, business contracts, art awards and so on.For musicians, every concert means the contract for the next one, and their future prospects.So there is such a card slot thing you mentioned.For example, when there can only be one Chinese musician at an international music festival, there will be Chinese musicians who will stumble below.It often happens that you introduce a Chinese friend to a certain occasion, and in the end your Chinese friend chokes you.After going abroad, you can feel that Chinese people like to be stuck, especially competitive.Therefore, after going abroad, the Chinese are more dangerous. They are more calculating than foreigners, fight each other, play tricks on each other, and are very good at using foreigners and bragging.From this point of view, Hong Kong people and Taiwanese people overseas may be simpler than mainland Chinese.For them, it may be that they have grown from a small place to a big place, so they can be regarded as relieved, so there is no need to worry about it?I don't know much about the status of Hongkongers and Taiwanese.

Cha Jianying: I don't know about Taiwan.I have lived in Hong Kong for two years. It is a small place with such a high population density, but I feel that their competition is more standardized than that of the mainland, because of their different history and different systems. They have undergone transformation under the supervision of the British.And our system is still in the process of difficult reforms, stop and go, and we have only been away from the "Cultural Revolution" for 30 years. That period of history has never really been exposed to the sun, and many people competed with That sinister smell, pulling gangs, playing tricks...

Liu Sola: If Taiwan is a small place and must be contested and excluded, then this kind of thing should not happen in the mainland.People in China don't have this kind of pressure to survive. The country has a large area and many opportunities... unless you still want to strive to be the mainstream and be the patriarch.But the society is changing, and there will be different patriarchs in each era, and we have to learn to give way to new patriarchs.People in the 1980s relied on fame, and people in the 1990s relied on money.Every era has a focus of fever. In the 1980s, it was burning culture—because of the long-term cultural blockade; in the 1990s, it was burning money because of long-term poverty.What will the romantics of the future burn?People in the 1980s think that the people in the 1990s are vulgar, and people in the 90s think that people in the 1980s are stupid. People in the future will definitely roll their eyes at all of us, because people in the future will be more natural and closer to 21 The essence of the century.

Zha Jianying: They will face new problems and difficulties, but they hope not to repeat our mistakes. Liu Suola: People in the 1980s and 1990s looked down on each other because they were unwilling to be ordinary people.We need a normal psychology to enjoy art and operate art, enjoy business and operate business.Life is so plain and interesting, you don't need to do anything to want to enter the annals of history, you don't need to fight others for your own success, and you don't need to compete with others for your own family property.We should reflect on the heroism education in the past, because it is often ambition that leads to tragedy.

Zha Jianying: In a normal society, there will always be vulgar and elegant, the public and petty bourgeoisie, the new and the old. All kinds of people should have their own space. There is no need to arrange seats. mutually exclusive again. Liu Suola: Yes, the seating arrangement is very scary.Only the peasant uprising cares about seating.In a long-term civilized society, everyone knows where they should be, the so-called living and working in peace and contentment. Zha Jianying: A real estate friend of mine traveled to the United States, and he was very impressed when he came back.He said that when observing on the beaches of the United States, people often lay there reading books for a long time, especially thick books, and then lay there thinking for a long time while wearing sunglasses, and then continued to read.In addition, every city has many people who listen to music while running and exercising.He found that this kind of scene is rarely seen in China, so he summed it up: the Chinese are alive, and the Americans are living.I think his summary is very interesting.This difference means that the Chinese people are always in a hurry to get to the market, for fear of missing out, because if an opportunity is available today, it may be gone tomorrow, and there will be no cars after this stop, and the world may be in chaos again.Under such circumstances, it is easy for him to have a speculative or even gambling mentality when working, and it may be a kind of indulgence to indulge in instant pleasure when playing in the dark.Such a person has no foresight, he has excitement and pleasure, but has no realm.In fact, having lived in the West for a long time, we know that the laid-back tone is easier to see in Europe. There are many workaholics in the United States. , which are infused with a kind of spirit, I think this has something to do with their long-term belief.

China's economy is developing rapidly, but there is still a sense of insecurity in people's hearts.Because this society has been changing for a hundred years, and the changes are very drastic. In the end, everyone feels that nothing is trustworthy or reliable, except for the benefits and happiness that can be seen right now.A poor utopia is terrible, and a prosperous utopia is also terrible.Everyone is happy to see that China is now the world's largest investment market and consumer market, but are we also the world's largest soul market?We have a population of 1.3 billion, where are the souls of these 1.3 billion people?A female judge from Ohio, USA, came to China to give lectures. After traveling around, she said to me: Americans of my generation only caught up with the 1960s and the Vietnam War, and felt that we had experienced strong social shocks.You Chinese have endured so many shocks, and they are still so big. I really can't imagine how you adapt psychologically?I can't answer her question because there are a lot of things I feel like I've never really gotten used to.In this case, you see all kinds of psychological distortions, imbalances and unhealthy people around you, and you feel uncomfortable, and sometimes you can't help being cynical, but you know that you can't be harsh.Throw anyone into this kind of history, and he/she will suffer from psychosis too, won't it?When I went to Moscow in 1992, Moscow and Beijing had a strange similarity, so it was easy for me to have a friendly and connected feeling with Muscovites. I remember a Moscow friend said to me while drinking vodka: Russians need McDonald’s, they need Democracy, but what is most needed is psychotherapy.This friend was named Andre, and I still remember that he had lips as delicate and sensitive as a flower.

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