Chapter 8 7. Beyond the seven bodies

You say we have seven bodies: the etheric body, the spiritual body, and so on.It is sometimes difficult to map Indian languages ​​to Western Neo-Confucian terminology.We do not have this theory in the West, so how can we translate these different body works into our language? There is no problem with the "spiritual body", but with the big body?What about the soul? These few words can be translated, but you have to look for them in places where you have not looked for them.Leger is better than Freud for the study of what goes beyond surface consciousness.But Jung was just the beginning.You can read from Steiner's Anthroposophy or from the Theosophical Society's writings - Madame Blavatsky's (secret doctrine) (secret doctrine), Isis Unveiled ( Isis Unveiled and other writings, or Annie Besant Libby, Colonel Alcott more glimpses of the meaning of these things.You can also see a little bit in the teachings of the Rosicrucians.In addition to the secret writings of the Essenes, the Brotherhood of Hermestris and Megistes who once enlightened Christ, there is a deep Hermes-Registe in the West. Sri Lanka tradition.More recently, Gurdierev and OuS Pensky can help you too.So you can find pieces of something and put those pieces together.

And, what I said I have said in your terms.I have only used one word that is not part of the Western term; nirvana body.The other six words - physical body, etheric body, astral body, mental body, spiritual body and universal body - are not Hindi.They also belong to the West.The seventh body has never been mentioned in the West, not because no one knows about it, but because the seventh body cannot be communicated. If you find these words difficult, then you can simply use "first body", "second body", "third body" and so on.Don't use any words to describe them; just describe them.That description is enough; the terminology doesn't matter.

You can approach these seven bodies in many directions.As far as dreams are concerned, you can use the terms of Freud, Jung, and Adler.Consciousness as they know it is the first body.The unconscious is the second body - not quite the same, but similar.What they call the collective unconscious is the third body—again, it's not exactly the same, but something close to the third. Also, if there is no common term, we can also invent some new terms.This has always worked out pretty well, in fact.This is because the new term does not have the old meaning.When you use a new term, its meaning becomes richer and your understanding deeper because you have no prior associations with it.So, you can invent some new terms.

Yitai means that which is connected with the sky and space.The astral body means the tiniest, last, atomic, beyond which material existence ceases.There is no difficulty in understanding the term mental body.There is also no difficulty in understanding the term spiritual body.There is also no difficulty in understanding the term cosmic body. Next you come across the seventh body - the Nirvana body. "Nirvana" means complete cessation, absolute emptiness.Now even the seed doesn't exist; everything is over.Linguistically the word means: the extinguishing of flames.The flames have been extinguished; the lights are turned off.So you can't ask where it went.It just ceased to exist.

Shiva means extinguished flame.Now it's not everywhere, or everywhere.It has no specific place of existence, no fixed time or moment of existence.Now, it is space itself, time itself.It just exists or it doesn't exist; it makes no difference.Because it's so ubiquitous, you can use whatever word you want.If it is in one place, it cannot be in every place, and if it is in every place, it cannot be in one place, so not anywhere means the same as being in every place.So, for the seventh body you have to use the word "Shiva" because there is no better word than that. Words have no meaning in themselves.You can only experience something of these seven bodies if it makes sense to you.To help you, there are different methods available at each level.

Start with yourself first.Then every next step is open to you.As soon as you meditate on the first body, you have already glimpsed the second body.So start with the physical body.Know it moment by moment.And Ju is not only knowledgeable externally.You can also know your body from within.When I see my hand from the outside, I can be aware of it, but at the same time have an inner feeling for it.When I close my eyes, the hand is out of sight, but there is still an inner feeling that something is there.Therefore, seeing the body from the outside cannot be regarded as awareness.It cannot lead you inward.The inner Yang party is very different.

When you feel this body from within, you will know for the first time in your life what is in the physical.You cannot know its secrets if you only see it from the outside.You only know the boundaries of appearances.What it looks like to others.If I look at my body from the outside, I see it the same way other people see it.But I never knew what it was to me. You could see my hand from the outside and I could see it. It was something objective.You can share its knowledge with me.But my hand, seen in this way, is not known from within.It has become public property.You can train it as well as I do.

Only when I see it from within does it in a sense become mine, unshareable.You cannot know it; you cannot know how I feel it from within.Only I can know this.The body as we know it is not our body.It is an objectively known body, a body that a doctor can understand in a laboratory.It is not the body that exists.Only private, personal knowing can lead you inward; public knowledge cannot.So physiology or psychology, as outer studies, they do not lead to knowledge about our inner body.It's just the flesh as they know it. Therefore, many dilemmas are caused by this.A person may feel beautiful from the inside, but we can force him to believe he is ugly.If we all agree on that, he probably will too.But it would be ugly without a single person in it.The inner feeling is always beautiful.

This external sensation is not actually a sensation at all.It's just a fad, an externally imposed standard.A person who is beautiful in one society may be ugly in another.A person who is beautiful at one stage of history may not be at another stage.But the feeling deep inside is always beautiful.Therefore, if there is no external standard, there will be no ugliness.We have a concept of beauty that everyone shares.That's why there is ugliness and beauty, otherwise there would be no such thing.If we were all blind, no one would be ugly.Everyone is beautiful. So, feeling the body from within is the first step.In different states, the feeling of internal signs in the body is also different.When you are in love you have a special inner feeling; when you experience hate the inner experience is different.If you ask Tantra he will say, "Love is beautiful." Because in his inner feeling he knows that when he loves he is beautiful.When you have hate, anger, jealousy, there is something loathing within you that makes you start to feel ugly.So in different situations, at different moments, in different states, you will feel different about yourself.

There's a difference when you're feeling sluggish than when you're feeling active.There is also a difference when you feel sleepy.You must clearly understand these differences.Only then can you know the inner life of the body.Then you will know the inner history, the inner geography of your childhood, your youth, your old age. Once a person knows his body from within, the second body automatically appears.You will now have a second body from the outside.If you know the first body from the inside, then you will know the second body from the outside. From the outside of the first body you can never experience the second body, but from the inside you can see the outside of the second body.Every body has two dimensions; outer and inner.Just like a wall has two sides - one facing outwards and one facing inwards - every body has a boundary, a wall.When you know the first body from within, you are aware of the second body from without.

Now you are in the middle; inside the first body and outside the second.This second body, the etheric body, is like dense smoke.You can walk through it without hindrance, but it's not transparent; you can't see inside from the outside.The first body is solid.In terms of shape, the second body is exactly like the first, but it is not solid. After the first body died, the second body continued to live for fourteen days.It travels with you.Then, after thirteen days, it too died.It disappears, dissolves.If you know the second body while the first is alive, you will be aware of this. The second body can leave your physical body.Sometimes during meditation, the second body goes up or down, and you feel that the gravity of the earth has no effect on you; you have left the earth.But when you open your eyes, you're on the ground, and you know you've always been there.The reason for this feeling of rising is because of the second body, not the first.There is no gravity for the second body, so as soon as you know the second body, you feel a freedom that the physical body does not know.Now you can leave your physical body and come back. If you want to know about the experience of the second body.This is the second step.The method is not difficult.Just want to leave your body.You will leave it.Hope itself is practice.If the second body does not come, you have to work hard, because there is no gravitational force.The difficulty with the first body is gravity.If I want to go to your house, I have to fight gravity.But if there is no gravity, then just desire is enough.Things happen. The Yitai body is the body that works under hypnosis.The first body has nothing to do with hypnotism; it's the second body that does.So a person with perfect sight can become blind.If the hypnotist says you're worn out, you'll be blind just because you believe it.The Ether is affected; the suggestion goes to the Ether.If you are in a deep hypnotic state, your second body can be affected.A healthy person can be rendered paralyzed by the suggestion of "you are paralyzed".A hypnotist must not use any language that would lead to suspicion.It doesn't help if he says "it looks like you've seen it".He must be absolutely sure of it.Only in this way can the suggestion have an effect. So in the second body just say: I am outside the physical body.Just wish to leave it.You will leave it.Usually dreams belong to the first body.It is the first body - the body that is now relaxing after being exhausted by the day's work, fatigue, tension.In hypnosis, it is the second body that sleeps.If it is hypnotized, you can use it to work. No matter what disease you have, seventy-five percent of it is transmitted from the second body to the first body.The Second Body is so suggestible that medical students in their first year always suffer from the same disease, which is the disease they are studying.They stand together with those symptoms.If the teacher is talking about headaches, then before you know it, everyone starts to ask in their hearts: "Do I have a headache? Do I have these symptoms? Because going inward will affect the etheric body, so this hint is caught by the etheric body. Headache occurs. The pain of having a baby is not of the first body; it is of the second.So with hypnosis, giving birth to a baby can be done absolutely painlessly - just by suggestion.Some primitive women do not feel the pain of childbirth because the possibility has never entered their minds.But every civilization creates universal cues.These hints then become a major part of everyone's future. Under hypnosis there is no pain.Even surgery under hypnosis can be done without any pain, because if the second body is suggested that there is no pain it will be painless.In my opinion, every kind of pain and every kind of happiness is transmitted from the second body to the first body.So if the hint changes, things that were painful can become happy, and vice versa. Change hints.Change ether consciousness.Everything changes.Just hope it out and it will happen.Jeon Hong is the only difference between Hope and Will.When you want something to happen completely, utterly with your whole mind, it becomes will. If you wish to leave your physical body at all, you can leave it.Then it is possible to know the second body from within, otherwise not possible.When you leave the body.You are no longer in the middle; inside the first body and outside the second.Now you are inside the second body.The first body is gone. Now you can be aware of your second body from within, just as you are aware of your first body from within.Know its inner workings, its inner mechanism, its inner life.It is difficult when you first try.But after this stage.You will always be in two bodies; the first body and the second body.Now your attention will be in two dimensions, in two realms. As soon as you are inside the second body, you are outside the third body, the soul guide.As far as the soul body is concerned.It doesn't even need a wish.Just want to be in it.Now there is no problem at all.If you want to go in, you can go in.Like the second body, the astral body is also a cloud of smoke, but it is transparent.So, as soon as you are outside, you are inside.You can't even tell if you're inside or outside because the boundaries are transparent. The astral body is the same size as the previous two bodies.Up to the fifth body, the size is the same.The content will change, but the size will be the same up to the fifth body.The size of the sixth body is the size of the universe.And the seventh body has no size at all, not even the size of the universe. The fourth body has no walls at all.From the inside of the third body there is not even a wall to make light.There is only one boundary, no walls, so there is no difficulty and no method is needed to enter the fourth body.So a person who has entered the third body can easily reach the fourth body. But go beyond the fourth specificity.It's about as difficult as going beyond the first body, because now the mental activity stops.The fifth body is the spiritual body.before you can reach it.There is another wall.But the meaning of this wall is not the same as the meaning of the wall between the first body and the second body.Now, the wall is between different dimensions.It's on another level.The four lower bodies are all related to one level.The dimension is horizontal.Now, it's vertical.So the wall between the fourth body and the fifth body is bigger than the wall between any two lower bodies -- because the way we normally see things is horizontal, not vertical.We look both ways, not up and down.However moving from the fourth body to the fifth is moving from a lower plane to a higher plane.Its difference is not the inside of the outside, but the top and bottom.You cannot enter the fifth body unless you start looking up.The mind is always looking downwards.So yoga is against the mind.The mind flows downward.Just like water.Water has never been a symbol of any spiritual system because of its inherent nature to flow downward.There are many systems that use fire as a symbol.Fire is upward; it is never downward.So in the process of moving the middle body to the fifth, fire is its symbol.One has to look up; one has to stop looking down.How to look up?What is the method?You must have heard that during meditation, one's eyes must be gazed upwards, as if you were looking inside the skull.The eyes are only symbolic.The real problem is vision.Our vision -- our ability to see -- the real problem is vision.Our vision—our ability to see—is related to the eyes, so the eyes even become the vehicle through which inward vision takes place.If your eyes turn up.Then your vision will follow upwards.Raja Yoga starts from the fourth body.Only Hatha Yoga starts with the first body, the others start with the third body.However, the fourth body can only be used if they have passed through the three lower bodies in past lives. ) and Guru's who study Raja Yoga for sure will return empty handed because one cannot start with the fourth body.The first three must be passed first.Only then will the fourth body appear. The fourth body is the last that may begin.There are four kinds of yoga: hatha yoga starts from the first body, mantra yoga (mantraopa) starts from the second body, devotional yoga starts from the third body, and raja yoga starts from the fourth body.In ancient times, everyone had to start with the first body, but now there are so many types of people: one person has cultivated to the second body in a previous life, another to the third body, and so on.But as far as dreaming is concerned, one has to start with the first body.Only in this way can you know its whole series, its whole field. So in the fourth body your consciousness has to be like fire - upwards.There are many ways to check this.for example.If the mind flows toward sex, it flows downward like water, because the sex center is downward.In the fourth body one has to start directing the eyes up, not down. If consciousness starts to move upwards.It must start from a center above the eye, not below the eye.Above the eyes there is only one center from which consciousness can move upward; the brow chakra.Now, the eye must look up to the third eye. We remind the third eye in many ways.In India, the difference between a virgin and a married woman is the red dot on the third eye of the married woman.A virgin is bound to look down at the center of the world, but when she is married she has to start looking up.Sex has to change from sexual to supersexual.To help remind upwards.Just put a red dot on her third eye - a tilak. There are many different types of people who use tijinko dots on their foreheads; hermits, worshipers—colored dots of all kinds.Alternatively, it is possible to use chandan - sandalwood paste.As soon as your two eyes look up at the third eye minus the center there is a fire; there is a burning sensation there.The third eye begins to open slowly while it must be kept cool.So Indians use sandalwood for education.Not only is it cool, but it also has a special fragrance, which is related to the third body and its transcendence.The cool scent, and its special location, becomes an upward draw and a reminder of the third eye. If you close your eyes and I put my finger on your third eye, I don't really touch your third eye itself.Yet you will still start to feel it.Just a little stress is enough.Just a little touch, just a caress.So that scent, its subtle touch and its coolness is enough.Then your attention will flow continuously from your eyes to the third eye. So, if you want to cross or the fourth body, there is only one technique, one method, and that is to look up.To do this, yoga uses headstands, body flips—as a method, since our eyes are used to pointing downwards.If you stand on your head, you still look down, but now, down is up.Your downward energy flow will be turned into an upward energy flow. So when meditating.Some people even slip into flipped poses without realizing it.They start doing head-to-head late fives because their energy flow changes.Their minds are so used to the downward flow that they feel uncomfortable when the energy changes direction.If they start standing on their heads, they will feel at ease again because the energy is flowing downward again.But it's not really flowing downwards.Compared to your center, your chakra, the energy is still flowing upwards. So, the headstand has always been used as a way to get you from the fourth body into the fifth.The main thing to remember is to look up.This can also be done with tratak - staring at a fixed target, which can be centered on the sun, or various other targets.But it is better to do this inwardly.Just close your eyes. But first, the first four bodies have to be spanned.Only then will it be useful, otherwise not.Otherwise it may disturb the numbing, it may cause all kinds of psychosis, because the regulation of the whole system will be smashed by it.All four bodies are looking down, but you are looking up with the mind inside.Next, schizophrenia is likely to occur. In my opinion, schizophrenia is the result of such things.So general psychology cannot delve into schizophrenia.The schizophrenic mind is working in two opposite directions at the same time: standing outside looking in; standing outside looking up.Your entire system must be in harmony.If you are not aware of your physical body from within, then your consciousness should be facing downwards.It is healthy to do so; the regulation is correct.You must never try to turn an outwardly moving mind upward, otherwise the result is schizophrenia. Our upbringing, our religion has always been the root cause of the split personality of human beings.It doesn't matter that they are in perfect harmony.There are teachers who teach the method of upward movement to those who have not even entered their physical bodies.The method comes into play, a part of the person stays outside the physical body, and another part moves up.Then a crack will appear between the two.He will become two people: sometimes this, sometimes that; a son with two personalities It is very possible for one person to become seven people at the same time.Then the division is complete.He becomes seven different energies.One part of him is moving down, clinging to the first body; another part is clinging to the second body; another part is clinging to the third body; one part is moving up; move.There is no center in him at all. Gurdierev used to say that kind of person is like a house where the master is absent and each servant claims to be the master.No one can deny this, because the owner himself is not at home.Whenever someone came to break the door of this house, the servant closest to the high door became the master.The next day another servant came to the door and said he was the master. People with schizophrenia don't have any centers.This is how we swim!We have conditioned ourselves to society, and so on.The difference is only a difference of degree.The owner is absent or asleep, and every part of us is claiming ownership.When the libido is there.Sex becomes the master.Your religion, your marriage, your religion—everything about you will be thrown away.Sex becomes the sole owner of the house.Then, when the desire for the world recedes, disappointment follows, and your reason takes over, saying, "I am the master." Now reason will claim the whole house as its own and refuse to give the world a place. Everyone claims that the house is his.When anger is there, it becomes the master.Now there is neither intellect nor awareness.Nothing can get in the way of anger.Because of this, we cannot understand others.A person who is in love starts to get angry, and suddenly the same love is gone.We don't know right now whether he's in a relationship or not.Love is a servant, and anger is only a servant.The owner is not at home.Therefore, the general operator cannot rely on anyone.He is not the master himself; asking a servant can take his place.He is not one, he is not one. What I am saying is this: One should not experiment with looking up until one has crossed the first four bodies.Otherwise an irreparable rift will be created and one will have to wait until his next life to start all over again.It's best to practice something that starts from the beginning.If you have passed through your first three bodies in past lives, soon you will pass through them again.There is no difficulty.You know this territory; you know it quickly, and they will be presented to you.You have passed them - you have passed them!Then you can move on.So, I always insist on starting with the first body.Same for everyone! Leaving the fourth body is the most meaningful thing.Up to the fourth body, you are human.Now.You have become superhuman.In the first body you were just an animal.It is only in the second embodiment that humanity begins to appear.Only in the fourth body state does it fully blossom.Civilization has never been beyond the fourth body.To transcend the fourth body is to transcend man.It is impossible for us to include Christ in the category of man.One Buddha, one Mahavira, one Krishna is beyond human beings.They are all superhuman. To look up is to jump from the fourth body.When I look at my first body from the outside.I'm just an animal that has the potential to be a human.The only difference is that I can become a human being and animals cannot.As things currently stand, we are both below humanity, "subhuman". But I have the possibility of transcending. From the second body upwards, the flowering of humanity takes place. Even some people in the fourth body are superhuman in our eyes.They are not.An Einstein or a Voltaire might look a lot like a Viet, but they're not.They are the full flowering of humanity, and we are less than humanity, so they are above us.But they are not above humanity.By looking upwards, by raising their consciousness from the fourth body.They go beyond the boundaries of the mind. They go beyond the mental body. There are some fables that are worth our while.Muhammad, while looking upward, said that something descended upon him from above.We interpret this above in a geographical sense, so the sky becomes the abode of the gods.For us, up means sky; towards T means underground.But if we interpret it in this way.We do not understand the symbol.When Muhammad raised his head, he didn't look up at the sky; he looked at the chakra between his eyebrows.He felt right when he said something came down to him from above.However, for us."on" has a different meaning. In every portrait, Zarathustra (ZarthUStra) is upward.His eyes never droop.When he saw God for the first time.He is looking up.God came upon him like fire.So the Persians have always worshiped fire.This big feeling comes from the brow chakra.When you look up, that spot feels hot, like everything is burning.Because of this burning, it is also transformed.The lower existence is burned, it ceases to exist, and the higher existence begins.That's what "passing through fire" means. After the fifth body, you go into another realm, another dimension.From the first body to the fourth body, the movement is from the outside to the inside; from the fourth body to the fifth body, the movement is from the bottom up; from the fifth body.It is from ego to non-ego.Now, the dimensions are different.There is no question of inside, outside, up and down.The question is "I ask" and "no-self". Now the question is whether there is a center or not. Up to the fifth body, man has no center—divided.Only the fifth body has a center, a physicality, a unity.But the center becomes the ego.Now, this center will be an obstacle to further development.Every step that once helped you becomes a hindrance to further development.You must leave every bridge you cross.It is beneficial when you go through it, but if you cling to it, it becomes a hindrance. Until the fifth body, you must create a center.Gurdierev said that this fifth center is the crystallization.Now there are no servants; the master is in power.Now the master is the master.He is awake; he has returned.When the master is at home.The servants all disappeared; they became quiet. So when you enter the fifth body, the crystallization of the ego takes place.But now, for further development, this crystallization must disappear again.Transform space, transform human universe.Only a man who has something can lose something, so before the fifth body, it is meaningless and absurd to talk about selflessness.You don't have an ego, so how can you lose it?Or you can say that you have many egos, and each servant has an ego.You are mdti-eqolstic, multiple personalities, multiple minds, not one unified self. You cannot lose yourself because you have no self.A rich man can throw away his wealth, but a poor man cannot.He has nothing to throw away, nothing to lose.But there are also some poor people who consider abandoning things.A rich man is afraid of giving up because he has something to lose, but a poor man is always willing to give up.He is willing, but he has nothing to throw away. The fifth body is the richest.It is the culmination of what a human being can achieve.The fifth body is the culmination of personality, the culmination of love, the culmination of compassion, the culmination of everything of value.The thorns of the flower have been lost.Now the flowers must also be lost.Then there will be only fragrance and no flowers. The sixth body is the field of fragrance, the fragrance of the universe.No flower, no center.An atmosphere, but without a center.You can say that everything has become the center, or there is no center now.There's just a diffuse feeling there.There is no gap, no division - not even a division of the individual into "me and no-self", me and "other".There is no difference. Therefore, there are two ways to lose the individual: one is, schizophrenia, split into many Asia-Pacific; the other is, the universe - into the ultimate; broad.Now the flowers are gone, only the fragrance. Flowers are also a hindrance, but if only fragrance exists, it is perfect.Now there is no source, so it cannot die.It is immortal.Anything with a source is going to die, but now the flowers are gone, so there's no roll.This kind of fragrance has no antecedent (uncaused), so for it, there is no self and no boundary.A flower is limited; fragrance is infinite.It has no obstacles.It goes on and on and on and on and on and on. So start with the fifth body.The question is not up, down, sideways, in, out.The question is whether to have a self or not to have a self.Self is the hardest thing to lose of all things.Up to the fifth body, the ego is not a problem.Because progress is self-fulfilling.No one wants to be schizophrenic; everyone prefers to have a crystallized personality.So every one. Sadhaka - every aspirant - can develop the fifth body. There is no way to go beyond the fifth body, because every way is closely related to the ego.As soon as you use the method, the ego is strengthened.So those who are busy going beyond the fifth body talk about no way.They talk about no method, no means.Now, there is no question of how.Start with the fifth body.There can be no other way. You can use methods up to the fifth body, but after that no methods are useful because the user is about to disappear.不管你使用什么方法，使用者都会变得更强大。他的自我将继续结晶；它将变成一个结晶核。所以那些停留在第五个身体里的人说有无数个心灵、无数个灵魂。他们把每个灵魂都看作一个原子。两个原子无法接触。它们没有窗户、没有门；对自己外界的一切都是封闭的。 自我没有窗户。你可以使用莱布尼兹的一个问："单子（monad）"。那些停留在第五个身体里的人都变成了单子：没有窗户的原子。现在你是单独的、单独的、单独的。 但是这个结晶的自我必须先去。如果没有方法，怎么失去它呢？如果没有途径，怎么超越它呢？怎么逃离它呢？田里没有门。禅僧们谈论没有门的门。现在没有门，而一个人还是必须超越它。 So what to do?首先：不要认同这个结晶。只要觉知这个"我"的封闭的房子。只要宽知它——不要做任何事情——就会有一次爆发！你将超越它。 禅宗有一个故事—— 有一只鹅蛋被放在一只瓶子里。鹅蛋孵化以后，小鹅开始长大，可是瓶颈很细，鹅出不来。它越长越大，瓶子太小了，没有办法待在里面。现在，要么打碎瓶子，把鹅放出来，要么鹅死掉。求道者们问："怎么办呢？我们一个也不想失去。既要把她救出来，又要保金瓶子。这怎么办呢？"这就是第五个身体的同模。在没有出路而鹅又在长大的时候，在结晶已经坚固的时候．What now? 求道者回到房间里，关上门。开始冥思苦想、怎么办呢？看上去似乎只有两件事情可做：不是打碎瓶子救出鹅．就是让它死掉，保住瓶子。冥想者继续想啊想啊。他想到什么．但是马上就被推翻，因为它是无法实施的。老师让他回去多想一．会儿。 求道者夜以继日地想．但是没有办法做到这一点。最后．思想停止了。地跑出来大声喊道"我发现了！出来了！"老师永远不会问他是怎么出来的，因为整个这件事情纯粹是胡闹。 所以，要离开第五个导体。这个问题成为一禅宗公案。一个人只要觉知那个结晶——鹅就出来了！你必然会出来；没有我。那个结晶被得到又失去了。对于第五个身体．结晶——中心．自我——是非常重要的。作为一条通道，作为一座桥梁．它是必需的；否则作无法跨越第五个具体。但是如今．你不再需要它了。 有些人没有经过第四个身体就达到了第五个身体。一个十分富有的入达到了第五个身体；在某种意义上，他已经结晶了。一个成为国家总统的人。在某种意义上，他也已经结晶了。一个希特勒，一个墨索里尼，在某种意义上，是结晶的。但是结晶应该在第五个身体里面。如果四个较低的身体限它不一致，那么结晶就会变成一种疾病。摩诃毗罗和佛陀也是结晶的，但是他们的结晶不一样。 因为内在深处需要达到第五个身体，所以我们留渴望实现自我。但是，如果我们选择捷径的话，我们终将迷失。最短的路就是通过财富、权力、政冶。自我可以被达到，但它是一个错误的结晶；它不是根据你的全体人格。它就像你脚上的鸡眼一样，开始成形、固化。它是错误的结晶、是不正常的产物、是疾病。 如果在第五个身体里面，那只鹅出来了，你就在第六个身体里面了。从第五个身体到第六个身体是奥秘的领域。直到第五个身体，你都可以使用科学的方法，所以瑜珈是有益的。但是在这以后，它就没有意义了，因为瑜伽是一种方法论、是一种科学技术。 在第五个身体里，禅是非常有用的。它是从第五个身体达到第六个身体的方法。禅在日本开花，但是它开始于印度。它的根基在瑜伽里。瑜珈发展成为禅。 禅在西方很有吸引力，因为西方人的自我，在某种意义上，是结晶的。在西方，他们是世界的主人；他们拥有一切。坦是，那个自我结晶的过程是错误的。它的形成没有通过前面四个身体的超越。所以，排虽然吸引西方人，但是它没有用，因为他们的结晶是错误的。相比之下，古尔捷耶夫对西方人更有帮助，因为他从第一个身体修到第四个身体。超过第五个身体．他就没有用了。只到第五个身体、到那个结晶为止。通过他的方法，你能够达到正确的结晶。 禅在西方只是一种时尚，因为它在那里没有基础。它在东方的发展经过了一段漫长的过程，从哈达简伽开始．在佛陀那里达到顶点。千万年又千万年的谦卑；不是自我，而是顺从；不是积极的行动，而是接受——通过长期的女性的头脑。接受的头脑。东方一直都是女性的，而西方是男世的；侵略的、主动的。东方向来是一种打开的、一种接受。禅在东方可能是有用的，因为其他方法、其他系统都在四个较低的身体上修。有这四个身体作为基础，禅就能够开花。 今天，禅在日本几乎已经没有意义了。原因就在于日本已经完全面化了。日本人曾经一度是最谦早的人民，然而现在他们的谦卑只是一种显示。它不再是他们内在核心的一部分。所以现在，禅在日本已经被根除了，而在西方流行起来。然而这种流行只是因为自我的错误结晶。 从第五个身体到第六个身体，排是非常有用的。但是只在这个时候，既不能在此之前，也不能越过这个范围。它对别的身体毫无用处，甚至有害。在小学里教授大学水平的课程不仅没有帮助而且可能是有害的。 如果在第五个身体之前使用禅，你可能会体验到萨托利（saturi），但那不是三摩地。萨托利是假的三摩地。它是对三摩地的一瞥，但它只是一瞥而已。就第四个具体——精神身——来说，萨托利会使你更加艺术、更加优美。它会在你的心里创造一种美感；它会创造一种安样的感觉。但是它不会帮助你结晶。它不会帮助你从第四个身体移到第五个身体。 只有在超越结晶的时候，样才是有用的。那只话从瓶子里面出来了，没有任何怎么。只有在你使用了这么多方法以后．在这一刻，你才能实践它。一个画家可以闭着眼睛画画；他可以像游戏一样地画画.一个演员可以像不表演一样地表演。实际上，只有当表演不像表演的时候，表演才是完美的。但是多年的功夫、多年的训练全部进到里面去了。现在，这个演员非常自如，但是那种自如不是一天达到的。它有它自己的一套方法。 我们在走路，但是我们从来不知道我们是怎么做这件事情的。如果有人问你是怎么走路的，你就会说：我只是走出它没有什么怎么的间既"但是在小孩子刚开始走路的时候，这个怎么的问题就出现了。他在学习。如果你打算告诉孩子走路不需要方法——"你走好了！ "——那是很荒唐的。孩子听不懂这句话。克里希纳莫尔提一直这么说话，对那些只有儿童头脑的成年人说："你能够走路。You are good to go! "人们听了这句话。他们被吸引住了。太容易了！不需要任何方法就可以走路。假使那样的话，每个人都能走路了。 正因为这一点，克里希纳莫尔提在西方也变得很有吸织力。如果你看哈达或者咒语瑜伽或者虔敬瑜林或者胜王瑜伽或者坦陀罗修法．它们看上去那么冗长、那么乏味、那么困难。需要好几个世纪的功夫，生生世世。他们等不及了。肯定有什么捷径、有什么即刻成就的办法。所以克里希纳其尔提吸引他们。他说："你走好了。你走到上帝里面去。没有方法。"但是没有方法是最难达到的东西。像不表演一样地表演．像不说话一样地说话，像不走路一样地没有努力地走路．它基于长期的努力。 功夫和努力是必需的；它们是需要的。但是它们有一个限度。它们的需要直到第五个身体为止，然而从第五个身体到第六个身体．它们就没有用了。你将无处可去哪只使将永远出不来。 这是印度瑜伽行者的难题。他们发现要跨越第三个身体非常困难，因为他们都迷恋方法，他们都被方法催眠了。他们一直用方法修。直到第五个身体，都有一种明确的科学，他们进步得很快。那是一种努力——而他们能够州无论需要多少强度，他们都没有问题。无论需要多少努力他们都承受得起。然而现在，在第五个身体里，他们必须跨越方法的领域而达到没有方法。现在他们茫然不解。他们坐下来，他们停止了。对于那么多的求道者，第五个身体都变成了终点。 所以，有五个身体的说法，没有七个身体的说法。那些只达到第五个身体的人以为那就是终点。它不是终点；它是一个新的起点。现在，一个人必须从个体移向无个体。禅，或者类似样的方法，没有努力地做．可以帮助你． 坐禅的意思是；只是坐着，什么事情也不做。一个已经做了很多事情的人无法想象这一点、只是坐着而什么事情也不做那是不可想象的。一个甘地无法想象这一点。他会说："我要转动我的轮子。必须做点什么！这是我的祈祷、我的静心。对于他，不做（non－doing）意味着什么事情也不做。不做有它自己的领域，有它自己的喜乐，有它自己的调节，但那是从第五个身体到第六个身体a在此之前，它是不可理席的。 从第六个具体到第七个身体，连没有方法也没有了。方法消失于第五个身体，没有方法消失于第六个身体。有一天，你只是发现你在第六个身体里。甚至宇宙也消失了；只有"无存在。它只是发生了。它是从第六个身体到第七个身体的自发事件。没有前因，没有人知道。 只有当它是没有前因的，它才跟以前发生的事情不连续0。如果它是有前因的，那么就有一种连续，存在的可以消失，哪怕在第七个身体里。第七个身体是彻底的无：涅般，空，不存在。 不可能有任何连续从存在移向不存在。那纯粹是一次跳越，没有前因。如果它有前因的话，就会有一种连续，它就会像第六个身体一样。所以，从第六个身体移向第七个身作甚至是无法谈论的。它是一个中断一个间隙。某些东西曾经存在，而某些东西现在存在——两者之间没有联系。 某些东西刚刚停止，某些东西刚刚进来。它们之间没有关系。就好像一个客人从一扇门离开，而另一个客人从另一边送来。这个人的离开和另一个人的进来没有关系。它们是无关的。 第七个身体就是终极，因为现在你甚至已经跨越了因果的世界。你已经达到了本源，达到了创造之前的和灭绝之后的。所以，从第六个身体到第六个身体连没有方法也没有。没有什么是有用的；每一样东西切可能是障碍。从第六个身体到第七个身体，只有一个自发事件：没有前因，没有准备，没有要求。 它是即刻发生的。只有一件事情必须记住：你决不能执着第六个身体。执着会阻止体移向第七个身体。没有积极的方法可以移向第七个身体，但是可能有一个消极的障碍。你可能执着于梵天、宇宙。你可能说：我达到了！那些说他已经达到的人无法走向第七个身体。 那些说"我已经知道了的人停留在第六个身体里。所以，那些写吠陀经典的人都停留在第六个身体里。只有一个佛陀才会跨越第六个身体，因为他说：我不知道。"他拒绝回答任何终极的问题。他说："没有人知道。没有人知道过。"佛陀不可能被人理解。那些曾经听他说法的人说："不，我们的老师已经知道了。他们说梵天是存在的。但是佛陀在谈论第七个身体。没有老师能够说他已经知道第七个身体了，因为你一这么说，你就会失去跟它的接触。一旦你知道它了，你就说不出来了。直到第六个身体，那些象征都可以表达的，但是第七个身体没有象征。它只是空。 中国有一座完全空的寺庙。日里面什么也没有：没有佛像，没有经典，什么也没有。它只有空空荡荡的墙壁。连住持也住在外面。他说～个住持只能住在寺庙的外面；他不能住在里面。如果你问住持这座寺庙的神在哪里．他就会说：看它！ "——而那里一片空虚；那里什么也没有。他会说："看！here!Now! "而那里只有裸露的、光秃秃的、空空荡荡的寺庙。 如果你寻找目标，那么你就无法跨越第六个身体达到第七个身体。所以，有一些消极的准备。一个消极的头脑是需要的，一个不渴望任何东西的头脑——甚至不渴望解脱，甚至不渴望涅槃，甚至不渴望真理；一个不等待任何东西的头脑——甚至不等待上帝、梵天。它只是存在，没有任何期待，没有任何盼望，没有任何企求。只是存在。然后，它发生了——连宇宙也泪失了。 所以，你能够渐渐地进入第六个身体。从肉身开始，然后修过以大身。然后修过魂魄身、精神身、灵性身。直到第五个身体，你都能够修，然后，从第五个身体开始．只有觉知。那时候，做（doing）已经不重要了；觉知是重要的。最后，从第六个身体到第七个身体，甚至觉知也不重要了。只有存在。这就是我们的种子的潜力。这就是我们的可能性。