Chapter 28 The first saliva post: Talking about "Beijing Beijing" with Xu Xing

The first saliva post: talk with Xu Xing Feng Tang Feng Tang @ 2007-5-22 11:06:59 Ich stinke also bin Ich! says: Are you there? Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: Yes. Ich stinke also bin Ich! says: Hmm.I read it carefully.I like it, I think it's still good. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: Against your will? Ich stinke also bin Ich! Said: Well, let’s not talk about it.some Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: Yes. Ich stinke also bin Ich! says: Problem, I think. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: Tell me about the problem. Ich stinke also bin Ich! said: First, these people have no personality, I think this is a big problem.Xin Yi, Xiao Bai, and other characters speak and behave in the same way.

Ich stinke also bin Ich! said: In addition, "my girlfriend" has a vague face, and there is no need to appear. Ich stinke also bin Ich! said: There is no story between Xiaohong and my girlfriend, and there is no logical bottom line. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: "My girlfriend" has a blurry face. . .This is the third part of the trilogy. Feng Tang/Haipeng@北京 said: The relationship and character were explained earlier. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: There is a problem just by looking at it. Ich stinke also bin Ich! said: I think number one is the taboo of novels.If you look at Water Margin, the author has noticed their origins in the behavior and expression of the characters, and the author has even considered the way of appearance.

Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: This is how traditional novels are written. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: First, these people have no personality, I think this is a big problem.Xin Yi, Xiao Bai, and other characters speak and behave in the same way. . .They have strong commonalities, but their individuality is reflected in local details. Ich stinke also bin Ich! Said: I think the only successful character image is Xin Ni who brought the dog back from Shijiazhuang Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: Modern novels have largely got rid of (or chose not to do) omniscient and omniscient perspectives.

Ich stinke also bin Ich! Said: Sometimes, every detail of a car clearly explains its personality, but Feng Tang/Haipeng@北京 said: With more than a hundred thousand words, it solves problems deeper than social events: the human nature of specific groups of people, emotional development, physical changes, changes in world outlook and outlook on life. Ich stinke also bin Ich! said: For example, if I don't know your mother, I also think that the "mother" here is full of personality and very lovable. . . .Because you are accurate. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: If you look at Henry Miller, Philip Roth, even Hemingway, Croack, the focus is on one or two main characters.

Ich stinke also bin Ich! says: Very accurate and concise. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: Less, but precise. Ich stinke also bin Ich! said: No.They are not like that, more on that later, especially Henry Miller. Ich stinke also bin Ich! said: Hemingway is a writer not worth studying. Ich stinke also bin Ich! says: Because his characters are his marionettes. . . .Extremely conceptual. . . Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: In short, writing about a person is not necessarily less, not necessarily wrong.Writing 10,000 people is not necessarily correct.There is a matter of preference and orientation.

Ich stinke also bin Ich! says: His characters appear not according to business needs, but according to his own needs. . . Ich stinke also bin Ich! says: Of course Henry is a great writer. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: But I agree, it needs to be precise. Feng Tang/Haipeng@北京 said: It’s like, there is a picture of the river on the Qingming Festival, and there are 87 fairy scrolls, Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: There are also some ruthless strokes from Bada Shanren. Ich stinke also bin Ich! said: I think that is not how things grow. . . .You are quiet. . Ich stinke also bin Ich! said: Sometimes, with a gesture, an attitude, an accurate language expression, and a few words, the character stands still.

Ich stinke also bin Ich! said: This is not a problem of traditional writing, this is a skill, Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: I agree with this.This is the essence of Chinese tradition. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: Bi Hexing. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: Comparison, weirdness, details. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: This, if I do not do well, I will review it. Ich stinke also bin Ich! Said: No matter what genre or tradition, this skill must be respected, because this is a skill. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: Well, contemporary Chinese writers are too bad. Ich stinke also bin Ich! Says: Unless something completely conceptual like Waiting for Godot.But your novel is not like that.

Ich stinke also bin Ich! said: I like it also because it's not a conceptualization, but a flow of life. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: I originally thought that accuracy, magic, and details were my strengths. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: It seems that there are many flaws and needs to be improved. Ich stinke also bin Ich! says: good humor.no problem. Ich stinke also bin Ich! says: Everywhere. Ich stinke also bin Ich! said: When I finished reading the novel and wanted to talk about it, I suddenly found that there are some characters whose names I didn’t remember, so I had to look them up. . . .

Ich stinke also bin Ich! Said: Originally, I wanted to write a novel about Feng Tang. . . . Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: Boss, this is too unimportant.For example, let me ask you, besides Anna Karenina, who do you remember from that thousand-page novel? Ich stinke also bin Ich! Said: Later, I thought about it badly, and I will talk about it after it is published. At that time, scolding was just to help you sell the book, and it is too early now. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: Write if you want. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: Selling doesn't care about this one. Ich stinke also bin Ich! says: Wait out.

Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: I completely agree, Fubixing is a lifetime of practice . Ich stinke also bin Ich! said: Disagree.For example, I was looking for a character just now, he is the main character, the character who memorizes the dictionary, what is his name? Ich stinke also bin Ich! says: It is not important to disagree with what you say. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: Hopu. Ich stinke also bin Ich! said: Yes. Ich stinke also bin Ich! said: Yes yes yes. .it's him.In fact, if you add two more strokes, the character will be full. Ich stinke also bin Ich! Said: I just thought, such a person must be a stickhead in life. . .

Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: Hopu is a crazy and motivated person. Ich stinke also bin Ich! Said: Houpu,,,,, what is the name of the one who played the empire later? Feng Tang/Haipeng@北京 said: Hopu is someone like some particularly progressive intellectual actresses in our era. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: Big chicken. Ich stinke also bin Ich! says: I mean, these characters have all the looks, they're super fun, but they're just not plump and you're in a hurry. . . .Where are you going! ! Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: Hehe. Ich stinke also bin Ich! says: It's over. Feng Tang/Haipeng@北京 said: Boss, others have seen the growth of all things and said that there are too many idle pens and too many branches. Ich stinke also bin Ich! says: Never mind, I haven't written a novel this seriously yet. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: Thank you very much. Ich stinke also bin Ich! Said: I am afraid of so many emails for me to explain. . .I'm annoying. . Ich stinke also bin Ich! Said: Let me tell you: no matter what school or genre, some basic rules must be respected.That might be too old-fashioned for me. . . . . Feng Tang/Haipeng@北京 said: On the surface, my personal opinion on style: 1. Difficult to say. 2 Writers themselves should not interfere too much.For example, I am fierce now, but when I get old, I may become lonely.But seriously thank you, and seriously agree with your scolding. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: Actually, if you summarize the above, it is an article. Ich stinke also bin Ich! Said: Unless you finish writing and post it on the wall for yourself to read, and don’t show it to others, then Ich stinke also bin Ich! says: Yes, I wanted to blog.Then think about it after you publish the book. Ich stinke also bin Ich! Said: Many people who have no talent will always talk about "what kind of attempts" to cover up their weakness.You are not weak, I am sure of that. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: No matter what school or stream, some basic rules must be respected.That might be too old-fashioned for me. . . . .For me, the only basic thing is: the efficiency of words.That is to say, if you use 10 words to make it clear and say it is great, but you use 100 words and you haven't explained it clearly, you haven't said it well, you are poor.However, whether it is 150,000 or 500,000, Zhang San or Li Si, whether there are more protagonists or more supporting roles, respect for personal choice. Ich stinke also bin Ich! says: Hmm.I agree.no problem.But you see what we are talking about is not this problem. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: Do you agree with my post? Ich stinke also bin Ich! says: Post if you want.But I don't think there's anything to stick with it.You decide.I have no opinion. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: Good. Ich stinke also bin Ich! says: All right.That's all I have to say. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: I think this kind of debate is very good. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: Let me see the shortcomings. Ich stinke also bin Ich! says: Hmm.Then you can post it if you want. Ich stinke also bin Ich! said: Feng Tang, I really think you can become everyone.take it easy.You are not in a hurry when you are in a good mood, but why do you write novels in such a hurry. . . Ich stinke also bin Ich! says: Are you really at war with time? !Some people can beat time with tens of thousands of words, and some people can never beat time with tens of millions of words in their whole life. This is fate! Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: Time, time, time.I do not have time.Improv, improv, improv.I believe, at least at this stage, in improvisation. Feng Tang/Haipeng@北京 said: Beating time is an ideal, and the definition of the so-called ideal is to strive, to fight for it regardless of fame and fortune, but it may not be achieved. Ich stinke also bin Ich! said: Fuck.You have no confidence in this.its not right. . . Feng Tang/Haipeng@北京 said: My understanding is shallow, combined with my characteristics, the more reliable way is to use myself as a carrier, let the voice in my heart tell by itself, impromptu narration, as if possessed by a ghost, like a wizard attending a lecture hall . Ich stinke also bin Ich! said: Do you know Tibetan lamas debate scriptures?It's all like this. . . .But what's the gushing stuff, you know?It was all "off-the-cuff, as if possessed by a ghost, as if a wizard attended a lecture hall." Ich stinke also bin Ich! says: ...There must be moderation. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: Whether it is a lama or a master depends on his cultivation and understanding. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: Not in the process of writing. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: Beijing Beijing grows better than all things because of the sense of restraint. Ich stinke also bin Ich! Said: In this world, all works of art, everything, it produces power, produces beauty, and infects people, because it has a degree, this degree is more than one centimeter, and the world's garbage, One point less is less good in the world, so it is a skill, and in this sense, fiction is the same as other art types. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: I agree with this. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: However, this degree should be done in a semi-conscious state. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: Do what you do, stop when you do it. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: Moreover, this degree is part of the style. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: Different artists should determine where this degree is based on their own characteristics. Ich stinke also bin Ich! says: In fiction there is no place for failure, one failure will spoil all your successes.You can't "Lu Nen", sometimes, a "Lu Nen" overall successful plan will be a success or failure.This is the "speed" controlling you in the dark. Ich stinke also bin Ich! Said: I am a typical high-sighted and low-handed, often looking at my own things, I will feel ashamed. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: I don't think you should think like this. Ich stinke also bin Ich! said: Anyway, set high standards and be strict with yourself. Ich stinke also bin Ich! said: All right.no more.If you post it, simply tidy it up, and don't post the nonsense of the two of us. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: Degree is not an absolute value, but a range.Different people should be able to choose, and different stages can have different choices. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: Happy.The article is a matter of ages, and the gains and losses are well known. Ich stinke also bin Ich! said: "Different artists should determine where this degree is based on their own characteristics." I totally disagree with this. Ich stinke also bin Ich! says: Because there is some common denominator.In terms of the current state of human social life, this standard has not been subverted for the time being.How else would you give me so many examples of good writers you like? ! Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: They are good, they are comprehensive, and their degree is within the range I like. Ich stinke also bin Ich! said: In fact, deep down in your heart, you agree with this standard. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: There are standards.But be respectful of idiosyncrasies and variations.Unless he's overdone, beyond the bounds of good fiction. Ich stinke also bin Ich! said: Why do we often collectively think that something is "too stinky" and something is "awesome", like Henry Miller you mentioned? Ich stinke also bin Ich! said: You.I have to work.Let's not talk about it, let's fight hard when we drink that day. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: Good.Thanks again. Ich stinke also bin Ich! said: Someday, fuck, I have too many typos. Feng Tang/Haipeng@Beijing said: I will change it for you. Ich stinke also bin Ich! said: There is no need to change this.It's okay, I don't care.