Chapter 20 i am not a scholar

Ai: From 1950 to 1953, did you often go to Chairman Mao's side? Liang: He always sends a car to pick him up. He doesn't need a car to pick him up. He can't go by himself. He can't even go through the gate, even the gate of Zhongnanhai. Ai: This is what I said in my book: You went to Yan'an and talked with him for a week, a week, every night... Liang: The first time I went there, I lived in that place for 16 days, and 8 days out of the 16 days I met. Ai: Well, my judgment is that although your conclusion is that you yourself pay attention to China’s characteristics, special places, and unique places, Chairman Mao pays attention to generalities. However, after you left, in 1939, Mao Zedong The chairman himself has begun to pay attention to the characteristics of China, which means it is different from before.During the Anti-Japanese War, he always paid more attention to the characteristics of Chinese society, rather than its generality, so it is speculated in the book that you still have a little ideological influence on him. I don’t know what you think of this statement, will it? Too much?

Liang: I dare not say that. Ai: That is to say, you are not in charge of the authorities. After you read what he wrote, what you wrote after you went to see how his policy has become, it is more and more like the measures of village communes, and the book is also It has aroused other people's opinions, that is to say, some people think it is reasonable, and some people think that there are many, many differences between you and him, big differences, such as the issue of class struggle, but the CCP was not a class struggle during the War of Resistance. It is still rural construction, which is very close to your rural construction in the past, and I am not sure about it in the book, but it seems to be like this.It is also very likely that the set of ideas created by Chairman Mao at that time was created according to the objective facts of China, so you yourself created the theory of rural construction according to the objective facts of China, perhaps because the objective facts are the same, so you and His theory is still very close.

Liang: It can be said that the starting point is the same. The starting point of his revolution was to encircle the cities from the countryside, and he started from the countryside. I want to build a new China, and I also started from the countryside. The starting point is the same. Ai: The situation in Yan'an during the Anti-Japanese War, the situation in the base areas, in North China, in Central China, in Shaanxi, all kinds of places, not to mention the same in general, even the specific details are often the same.After liberation, many of the plans that Chairman Mao focused on were very similar to the rural construction back then. They paid more attention to the countryside, and scattered industries and small factories in the countryside instead of concentrating them in big cities. This is one, many, books It can be said to be arguing here, I don't know what you think about this...

Liang: Yes, that's right.Didn't I say yesterday that starting from the countryside is no problem.What are you doing?In which direction should we mainly go?The second is to let the scattered peasants gradually form a group organization. On the one hand, to improve manpower from the old production technology, modern science and technology must be introduced.Group organization, science and technology, these two aspects, Chairman Mao said now, he started from primary cooperatives, high-level cooperatives, and finally people's communes. Get organized and get organized so that you can use advanced science and technology.In fact, there is only one way for everyone to go.

Ai: From 1950 to 1953, when you spoke with Chairman Mao, you went to his home to speak. You said just now that you could speak whatever you wanted. Liang: Talk about it. Ai: Oh, rambling.Of course there are many topics, but can you still remember some of those years... Liang: I recorded everything. Ai: Have you recorded everything? Liang: I have a record, there is a book on it. Ai: Oh, that's great.Then you are ready to... Liang: I kept it in my possession and didn't publish it. Ai: No publication? Liang: However, you can watch it if you want. Ai: Of course I want to see it. If you have a record, it would be great for me.

Liang: I can find out tomorrow. Ai: Don't bother, it's hidden in a place that's hard to find, don't rush, of course I want to see it, but don't try too hard to find it.After the conflict in September 1953, there were very few or none like you... Liang: That is to say, the opportunity to sit down and talk calmly is gone. Ai: Not anymore.It's time for a meeting... Liang: You can meet and shake hands when you meet. Ai: Is the attitude different from before?Or maybe it was more peaceful before... Liang: Not much, but he just shook hands in a hurry and said a word or two, we stood, he came and went, he shook hands with this, shook hands with that, said a word or two when he walked over to shake hands Words, did not invite to the house to sit down and talk.

Ai: Since liberation, which circle of people have you had the most contact with? The literary and art circles, the academic circles, the political circles, the more relatives, or the most old friends from back then? Liang: Pretty much the same.Because I didn't start the Democratic Alliance in the past, so I have some old friends in this regard.In addition, I used to run a school in Henan and Shandong. Some of the students were here, and some came from outside. They met and communicated.I have a large number of students. Let me count, it can be regarded as a student relationship. He calls me a teacher and has listened to my lectures. There are about 4,000 people.

Ai: 4,000 people, that's a lot, the so-called "full of peaches and plums" (laughs).Those who live in Beijing often have the opportunity... Liang: Some individuals have passed away a lot. They all... because ordinary people reach the age of 60, 70, and 80, and not many people live to be 80. Many people have passed away. (laughs) But I live longer. Ai: In the 1950s and 1960s, there were still many old friends at that time, right? Liang: Yes, some in other provinces still communicate. Ai: Now, many people from those days have passed away.Of course, Chairman Mao and Zhou Enlai have also passed away, (Liang: Chairman Zhu also passed away.) Your own Chen Mingshu, Li Zongren, and Li Jishen have all passed away.That being said, in the 1950s and 1960s, I still had a lot of contacts with old friends from those years.I remember when I was studying your life, in 1966, when Li Zongren came back from the United States, you also came out to pick him up, so maybe in this case, there are still many opportunities to meet old friends from previous years.This might be an odd question: suppose your husband is now rejuvenated and you can start from scratch, what would happen to your career?

Liang: I never thought about it (laughs).Let me say one more thing. The main thing I want to do is the book "Human Heart and Life". The book has been completed, so I seem to be satisfied.Other books, smaller ones, shorter ones are not as voluminous, there is a book called "Overview of Oriental Studies", I am talking about three schools of Oriental studies, Confucianism and Taoism in China, Buddhism in India, these three schools To put it simply, comparing the three, there is such a book called "Overview of Oriental Studies"; the book is not too long, and it has much fewer words than "Human Mind and Life". Wish has come true (laughs) that taste.

Ai: Assuming you are in your teens now, would you change your career, or continue to be a scholar? Liang: I often tell people that I am not a scholar. Ai: Yes, you often have this denial in your books. Liang: Yes.I admit that I am a thinking person, and I am a person who implements and practices based on my own thinking, and I am such a person.I am not good at academics, scholars, or old Chinese knowledge.I told you that I never read the "Four Books and Five Classics" when I was a child, and there are some new words in the "Four Books and Five Classics" that I still can't recognize.Then, on the other hand, I am not good at science, and I am not good at Western. For science, I must learn foreign languages, and I am not good at Western.So when it comes to learning, I can only take a break, and I say I can't.

Ai: Do you really think so? Liang: I admit to myself that I am a thoughtful person, independent thinking, consistent in appearance and inward. Ai: Assuming that you are rejuvenated, you will still be a thoughtful person who wants to practice your thoughts, not a doctor, scientist, or politician, or... Liang: I have loved medicine since I was young. (Ai: Oh, I liked medicine when I was young.) The Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference has divided its committee members into many groups. I think I can join any group I want to join. For example, there is a cultural and educational group—cultural education, a medical group, and international issues. The group with the largest number of people participating in the international issues group. I joined the medical and health group. There are Chinese medicine and western medicine in the medical and health group. Ai: In the book "Eastern and Western Cultures and Their Philosophy", there are also some cultures about medicine, about Chinese medicine and Western medicine.It seems that your father also has a little research on medicine, right?It is mentioned in the chronicle that he can boil and make medicine. Liang: It can be said that there is nothing, but if a family member is sick, such as my mother is sick, or our brothers and children are sick in this generation, he often prescribes medicine for us (laughs).Most Chinese medicine practitioners (laughs) like to talk about Confucian medicine. Many scholars will read medical books, and they seem to be able to master medicine.My father also had that situation, but he didn't see a doctor for outsiders. Ai: What is your favorite food, sir? Liang: Eat something? (Ai: Eat.) Eat, I am a vegetarian. Ai: That is to say, do you particularly like vegetables or fruits? Liang: I like fruits and vegetables, and I like ordinary fruits and vegetables. Ai: Do you have any favorites? Liang: I don't have any favorites. Ai: Do you have any favorite pastimes?Or is there no entertainment at all? Liang: For entertainment.My pastime is physical activity. I like walking, visiting the park, and going to the park. Ai: It seems that in 1956 and 1957, some friends in Hong Kong said that you learned Taijiquan. Liang: I have learned, I have learned. Ai: How long have you practiced? Liang: I started practicing Taiji and learning Taijiquan. It’s been decades, many years, but sometimes it’s intermittent, especially after the War of Resistance. I’m running around for the country’s affairs, and sometimes I have no free time. . Ai: Do you mean that you have already learned it? Liang: I learned it a long time ago. Ai: I don't know about this, I thought it was only learned in the 1950s. Liang: I learned it very early, probably in my 30s. (Ai: Oh, I started to learn it at this time.) But I put it aside after I learned it, and didn’t practice it seriously. Yehu (Jishuitan), on that hill, everyone learns there, and they all practice Taijiquan. Ai: I don't remember if you lived in Deshengmen, that is, over Jishuitan? Liang: Over Jishuitan, my own house is still there. Ai: Oh, since when, the house there? Liang: From the early years of the Republic of China, 60 years ago. Ai: I was mistaken about this. I thought the house there was the house of your father’s friend Peng Yisun. I didn’t know that your Liang’s house was also there. Liang: Yes.Peng's house is in the southwest of Jishuitan, with a building. Our house is in the northwest corner. This house is still there, but people live there. Ai: According to your father's chronology, it seems that he often lived in Peng's house. Liang: Yes, sometimes he lived there, didn't he throw himself into the water later?It was from the house where Mr. Peng lived to throw water. Ai: It seems that he is about to celebrate his 60th birthday.So what I understand is what I wrote, the kids come to the school and live with Mr. Peng.Originally, if Liang's house is very close to Peng's house, it seems to be... Liang: Just to the north. Ai: The Jishuitan is not too big, and the distance is not too big... Liang: They are all in the southwest of Jishuitan. Our house is in the northwest corner. Now this house is still there, and it is occupied by others. Ai: There is a small island in the Jishuitan, and there is a small temple on the island. There is a chronicle of this, and it has the name Gaomiao. Liang: But the name is not Gaomiao. The Gaomiao is located in the south of the water. The Gaomiao is very big. The temple we mentioned just now is very small. Ai: Oh, a small temple.When I came here in 1973, I still couldn’t see you, but I knew this place, so I didn’t dare to visit it because I was afraid.At that time, the monument to your father was nowhere to be found. There was a pedestal, and the stone monument on it had fallen down, so it was also nowhere to be found.I asked a lot of people nearby when this monument was knocked down.Someone said it was still there during the Anti-Japanese War. Liang: During the Cultural Revolution, in 1966. Ai: Oh.The stele was sawn into several pieces by the people nearby, and it was used for building something.Mr. Liang, did you suffer any kind of persecution during the Cultural Revolution?or... Liang: Under shock. Ai: Shock, shock is a term I have never heard of, what does shock mean? Liang: A shock is a blow. Ai: It belonged to the Red Guards? Liang: Red Guards, young Red Guards, all junior high school students. Ai: Are you still a junior high school student, and you still live in Deshengmen? Liang: That’s right. The place is called Xiaotongjing. ...