Chapter 30 Long winds shake the rivers and lakes——A talk with Jin Yong

"Wherever there are Chinese people, there are people who know his name." This is the most touching sentence when Brother Ni Kuang introduced Jin Yong. Of course, it is necessary to modify the "Chinese" in this sentence to "Chinese", but the facts pointed out by this whole sentence are very clear and true. Indeed, for all those who have heard the name Jin Yong, what this name represents is a sense of awe-inspiring, awe-inspiring and awe-inspiring. However, for all those who know Jin Yong, what he represents is a talented, insightful, heart-wrenching elder and wise man.

Although, many reports about Jin Yong describe him as an unsmiling and serious person, with a calm and dignified face, which makes people feel chilling. However, Brother Ni Kuang said: "Jin Yong's nature is very lively, he is a friend suitable for all ages, he can tolerate friends' nonsense, even wronged himself, and indulges bad-tempered friends." The Jin Yong I have seen is just such a solemn yet lively Jin Yong. Of course, I believe that the biggest possibility is because of Brother Ni Kuang who was there that day, so the Jin Yong that day was the Jin Yong who laughed from time to time and had a "very lively nature", "a friend suitable for all ages".

It was April 12, in Hong Kong, at 4:30 p.m., brother Ni Kuang and I rang the doorbell of Jinfu. It was Jin Yong who answered the door. I remember someone once described him this way: "He is of medium height, about 175 centimeters. He was very thin when he was young, but he gained weight later, and now weighs about 70 kilograms. The face shape is quite rare, and it is a typical square face with Chinese characters. It can give people a kind of unsmiling majesty. feel." However, Jin Yong, who answered the door that day, had a friendly smile on his face in Chinese characters. That kind of back-to-basics feeling reminded me of the smiling Maitreya Buddha immediately!Although, Jin Yong is not a mythical figure, and his so-called "fat" figure is at least two levels worse than the size of Maitreya Buddha.

However, Buddhism is actually the subject that Jin Yong has intensively studied in the past few years. In order to be able to read Buddhist scriptures directly, he even learned the most complicated script in the world: Indian Sanskrit! (However, he said that what he has learned is only the fur of the fur, which is almost equivalent to not understanding.) Stepping into the big study room and living room, he saw that there were books all over the walls. Taking a closer look, most of them were books about Buddhism in various languages, and there was also a whole set of "Tripitaka" that he had read most of. "!

Such an environment should be solemn and serene. Fortunately, with the constant laughter of Brother Ni Kuang and the occasional high-fives from the host, the scene in front of him suddenly changed into a spring breeze full of wit and wit. Our interview started in such a relaxed atmosphere of "let's just chat casually" (Jin Yong's words)... Du: First of all, I would like to ask a question that most readers may be interested in, that is, why did you write martial arts novels in the first place? Jin: I have repeated this question many times (I couldn’t help laughing, and Ni Kuang was even laughing at the side). At that time, my job was the same as yours. I was editing a supplement. The supplement needed martial arts novels, so I wrote it like this Wake up, that was more than twenty years ago.

Du: Then why did you stop writing? Jin: I wrote the first one, which was considered a success, so I kept writing it until the last one, which was finished in 1971 and 1972. I didn’t feel much interest in it, so I stopped writing it. Du: Everyone thinks that one of the biggest features of your martial arts novels is that they are closely connected with Chinese history. Why do you adopt this approach? Jin: There are two reasons for this. First, martial arts novels are originally set in ancient Chinese society. The more real, the more interested readers will be.Since it is based on ancient society, it cannot be completely divorced from history.Another reason is that I am very interested in Chinese history.

Du: So, what are your thoughts on your martial arts novels? Quan: It’s really difficult to talk about this issue. If you talk too low about yourself, readers may mistakenly think it’s true. Isn’t it too bad, haha!For example, a Miao girl asked Yue Buqun's wife if her sword skills were very high. She found it difficult to answer this question, and she said it was pretty good, which seemed impolite. Low, so I just smiled and didn't answer, haha. Ni: I think this is a fault of the Chinese people. It is different if you are a Westerner, isn't it?I remember a joke that a Chinese invited a foreigner to dinner, and after the meal, he would inevitably say that today's dishes were not well done, please don't take offense and other polite words.But the foreign chef became angry when he heard it, he thought that I put a lot of effort into these few dishes today, and they were cooked so well, why you still can't say it well!Hahaha!Of course, this is a problem with the thinking and concept of the entire nation. If a Chinese is not modest in dealing with others, the whole society will not accept him, right?

Jin (nods yes): Yes, yes, in China, not only in the novel world, like Mei Lanfang in Beijing opera, his acting skills are recognized as first-class, but if you ask him, he will definitely say that’s not good. Kind of humble.Because if he really admits that he is so good and of a first-class standard, then not only his peers will not be able to stand it, but the society will also resent him. After all, Chinese people believe that modesty is appropriate.To be honest, I thought my martial arts novels were top-notch, but if I say they are great literary works, then I am not qualified. This is the truth.

After a burst of laughter, the topic began to change from Jin Yong's martial arts novels to the overall issue of Chinese martial arts novel evaluation. Du: So, what are your views and comments on Chinese martial arts novels, especially the development in recent years? Jin: Regarding the question of evaluation, I think we don't care about the standard of quality for the time being, but I think there is one thing worth noting, that is, martial arts novels are truly mass novels.Regardless of the leftist or rightist views on literature and art, they all have one thing in common. The former said that they should serve the workers, peasants and soldiers, while the latter also said that literature and art should be popularized and popularized.Martial arts novels can generally achieve this.

The novels of modern Chinese new literature are actually quite out of touch with Chinese literary traditions. It is hard to say that they are Chinese novels. Whether they are written by Ba Jin, Mao Dun or Lu Xun, they are actually foreign novels written in Chinese.In fact, the Chinese artistic tradition that has been handed down is just like traditional Chinese painting, which is handed down according to the system of Tang, Song, Yuan, Ming, and Qing, which is completely different from foreign paintings.The same is true for drama, whether it is Peking opera, Yue opera, Cantonese opera, etc., it is completely different from Western opera.Even like poetry, it has been inherited from the ancient poetry Yuefu, and it is not until the new poetry has a completely different form and style.

Chinese art has its own unique means of expression, like music, the Chinese pentatonic scale and the Western heptatonic scale sound completely different, and you can tell the difference when you hear it. In terms of Chinese novels, the novels written since the May Fourth Movement are not traditional Chinese novels.People often ask me, why are martial arts novels so popular?Of course, there are many reasons for this, but I think the main reason is that martial arts novels are Chinese-style novels, and Chinese people of course like to read Chinese-style things. Du: You say that martial arts novels are novels in the Chinese form. Does that mean the spiritual aspect or the literary form? Quan: I think the most important thing is the form, because the spirit can have modern ideas and modern themes. However, in fact, it is not easy to distinguish whether the spirit is modern or ancient.But the form is different. Chinese art has its own unique form, whether it is music, pictures, costumes, drama, or dance, you can feel it just by looking at it.In fact, this is a cultural feature, like the art of Japan, India or other cultures, you can distinguish it very clearly.Especially in a culture with a long tradition, its artistic expression must have its own unique personality. What martial arts novels inherit is the form of expression of traditional Chinese novels. In terms of content, martial arts novels are not much different from them. Of course, whether they are well written is another matter, but the form is the Chinese form, which is inherited from Chinese novels. Tradition. Since the May Fourth Movement, intellectuals seem to have developed a concept that only foreign forms are novels, and Chinese forms are not novels. Du: I think that from the May 4th Movement to the present, martial arts novels have always been popular among ordinary people, even among high-level intellectuals.However, in terms of formal evaluation, such as the history of literature or novels compiled by ordinary people, martial arts novels are rarely included or given any affirmation. This is a very strange and contradictory phenomenon... Jin: I think this has something to do with the poor writing of Wuxia Xiao itself, which is understandable.However, I think the general intellectuals reject chapter novels like Zhang Henshui's and regard Ba Jin's and Lu Xun's novels as orthodox. This problem is mainly based on political factors rather than artistic factors.Because these people are big intellectuals, they have status or influence in politics, and the entire Chinese literary world is mainly composed of these people.Those who write novels in the traditional Chinese way are less valued and even discriminated against by the entire Chinese cultural circle. Although martial arts novels have not been around for a short time, they are relatively well written in modern times.Although there were many martial arts works in the past, there were few good ones, such as the ones in the late Qing Dynasty, which were already well written.Of course, to evaluate the achievement of a work, it is not only about the form, but also about the content. If the work has literary value, then after a period of time, it will definitely get the evaluation and status it deserves.Just like this book, the "History of Chinese Fiction" written by Lu Xun also mentioned it, too, so this should be judged mainly from the value of the novel itself. Du: So, in your opinion, what is the value of martial arts novels? Jin: I very much agree with what Ni Kuang once said, that is, whether it is a martial arts novel, a romance novel, a detective novel or something else, as long as it is a good novel, it is a good novel, and it does not matter what form it is expressed in.A martial arts novel that is well written and has literary significance is a good novel, and so is any other novel.After all, wuxia in wuxia novels is just its form.Like other literary works, martial arts novels have good ones and many bad ones.We cannot say in general terms whether martial arts novels are good or not, or whether romance novels are good or not. We can only say whether a particular novel is good or not.Ni Kuang's point of view is very clear, a good novel is a good novel, and it has nothing to do with whether it is a martial arts novel or not.The question is whether a work can move people and whether it is meaningful, not whether it is expressed in a martial arts way. Du: You just mentioned whether a work can move people and whether it is meaningful. So, do you think that these two points are the conditions that determine whether a work has value? Jin: Everyone has their own views on literature. Personally, I think literature is mainly about expressing people's feelings.Literature is not for reasoning. If it can deeply and vividly express people's feelings, it is good literature.I am not in favor of using "theme" to judge a work.Whether the theme is correct or not is not the function of literature. If a specific theme is to be expressed, a theoretical article will be better and more direct. Du: So do you think that the function of literature is not to teach, but to reason? Jin: Yes, I think the function of literature is to express people’s feelings. As for reasoning, it should use discussion, debate, or political articles, like the editorial I wrote on Ming Pao (your newspaper Nanyang Siang Pau often reproduced).However, this is not literature. Du: From this point of view, your martial arts novels mainly describe the various expressions of human nature in terms of emotion? Jin: Yes, it is human personality and human emotion.The Chinese have always liked to say that "literature conveys the truth", and believe that the purpose of the article is to tell the truth.Of course, it is possible to use words to explain the truth, and it is also an extremely important function, but that is not literature. Du: I have read some critical articles about you, and they all point out that your works have a strong chivalrous spirit, especially righteousness. Jin: "Righteousness" is a kind of human character and spirit. Some literary works use fables to describe a horse or a dog, and express human emotions on them. Little do I know that those fables describe human feelings and personalities. Literary works can express any kind of human emotion, very strong love, very strong hate.The so-called righteousness, or a special kind of friendship, is a human feeling.Of course, chivalry is a rather special part of human emotion. Du: This kind of chivalrous spirit should be derived from the tradition of chivalrous literature in "Historical Records: Biography of Assassins" in China, right? Jin: It should be. Of course, chivalry is not only found in China, but also in foreign countries. However, the Chinese seem to pay special attention to this aspect. This also has a certain social foundation and roots. Du: In addition to the Chinese chivalrous literary tradition, will Western literature have any influence on your works? Jin: Some foreign novels and movies, especially foreign action movies, have a strong chivalrous spirit.The West places great emphasis on action, and there are many places similar to martial arts novels.The Singapore and Hong Kong we live in are both East-West societies, not purely Eastern or Western societies. Of course, they will be affected if we are exposed to them.Some new Chinese paintings and Chinese music are greatly influenced by Western art, and Chinese novels are no exception. They often use Western expressions to describe Chinese people and events.I think it is not impossible to experiment with writing about modern people and events in the way of traditional Chinese chapter novels. Novels like Zhang Henshui are very popular. Du: From your point of view, in modern society, do martial arts novels only serve as pure appreciation, or do they have other influences? Jin: Literature must have a certain influence and function, but I personally don't want to regard literature as a tool to influence society.I think these are side effects. Art itself is still art. It does not pursue any purpose, but only pursues a sense of beauty. There are many different categories of human values. Science is the pursuit of truth. Like Newton and Einstein, what they study is only true or false. They don’t need to think about its other functions or influences. They would not think of inventing this law What will be good or bad after that.As for the moral concept of religion, it studies the question of good and evil.Literature and art focus on the pursuit of beauty or not. As for true and false, good and evil, it is another matter. Of course, many people would disagree with this approach. Many literary theorists like to put goodness and beauty together and compare them.They always like to talk about what a certain novel does to people, what that music does to people.There is a joke that music can cultivate one’s temperament. (Ni Kuang, sitting on the side, laughed again, saying that Le Saint Beethoven is a guy with a really weird temper.) Yes, Beethoven’s own temperament is not good at all. go there.Haha, so, I think listening to music is as long as you feel good or bad. As for whether you will become better or worse after listening to music, I believe it will not be the effect that musicians want to pursue when composing music.Music is very abstract, and what a general symphony is supposed to express, probably even the composer himself doesn't know.But some people keep explaining, saying that Beethoven's Fifth Symphony expresses people's struggle and struggle against fate; the piano sonata in C-sharp minor expresses the artistic conception of moonlight, etc.In fact, it may not be the same thing in the first place, it was all added by later generations. Music is abstract, and it doesn't matter that people add various interpretations to it.Novels are specific texts, and people like to study whether a certain novel has a good or bad influence on people, and whether it has contributed to the morals of the world.Of course, the influence of a work does exist, but when a writer writes, some people may have this purpose, but I personally don't think much about it.If I wanted to write about these people, I would only focus on describing their emotions, personalities, and the relationship between them. Du: So, your novels mainly express and reflect human emotions by portraying the personalities of the characters in the book, hoping to give readers a real and personal feeling? Jin: Yes, I just hope that the writing is true and profound, and that the emotions that ordinary people don't often notice are unearthed and expressed.Of course, martial arts novels are mainly fantasies, and ordinary people's lives are not so tense and thrilling, just like Ni Kuang always encounters aliens in science fiction novels, none of us have ever seen them. (laugh) Du: Maybe so many of his novel materials were transmitted to him by aliens using brain waves, haha. Ni: (laughing): How do you know I'm not an outer spaceman!Ha ha. However, I think one thing is very important, that is, novels must be good-looking, what's the use of bad novels?No matter how good everyone says it is, if you just can't read it, what's the use of such a novel? KING: I guess it's the climate that certain literary critics have created... Du: Yes, in fact, I think, if Cao Xueqin would have thought that his novel, which was not necessarily sold at the time, would be so great now, I think he would not be able to write this novel. King: Yes, if a writer wants to write a great novel before he starts writing, he will definitely not be able to write it, and even if he can write it, it will definitely not be great. Ni: However, I think most of the traditional Chinese novels are good-looking, such as the novels of the Ming Dynasty and "Surprise", etc., are very well-written... Jin: I think it has something to do with cultural traditions. If you show it to foreigners, he will think it is not worth seeing. So it has a lot to do with national character.Just like a Chinese ditty, we find it pleasant to listen to, but foreigners find it simple and boring.For example, foreigners read it mainly based on research, ordinary foreigners may not like to read it, like those foreign housewives and office clerks, how could they like such a translated novel that can't figure out the relationship between men and women? ? Ni: Ha, to use a swear word in the paraphrase, it is almost "fade out of the bird", haha!Because they may not even understand it, how can they talk about symbols and meanings? Jin: Of course, Ni Kuang and I agree on this point, but this is not an orthodox literary point of view... Ni (rushing to say with a haha): "Hey, why are you so ambitious? You can also think that you are orthodox, haha." Jin (smiling): Yes, yes, whether it is orthodox or not is usually related to whether it is popular or not, and generally popular sayings are often promoted as orthodox... Ni: No, no, fashion is not necessarily orthodox!In fact, it is just that there are more people who advocate those views, and the views of ordinary people may not be the same as theirs... (This preemptive talk made everyone nod and say yes.) Jin (nodding his head): Actually, maybe there are more people who hold our point of view... Ni (another round of quick break): Of course there are too many. If you don’t believe me, just look at the sales of the novel, right? Jin: In Ming Pao today, there was an article by Xu Su titled "Where did Hong Kong Literature go?" The literature they were talking about did not include our works. Ni: I think what Gu Long said is the best. He said: We people can't expect to win any literary awards, but we can get the masses award.As long as the masses like us, it doesn't matter if the professor likes us or not, right? Du: But Jin Yong's novels are also very popular with professors and experts! Ni: That's right, that's why Jin Yong's novels are so great.From university professors and cabinet ministers to traffickers and pawns, everyone loves to watch it.I think it is the most difficult thing to write a novel that can appeal to both refined and popular tastes.right?As the saying goes, those who can read watch the doorway, and those who don't know how to watch the excitement.It is the most difficult thing to have both lively and door-to-door. Jin: Literary critics in general tend to watch the doorway more than watch the excitement. Ni: The doorway?To be honest, those ways are created by literary critics themselves, like the emperor's new clothes, everyone can't see it, but everyone agrees.Otherwise, you just don’t understand, you’re an outsider, and you’re not up to standard, right? Du: Yes!Just like now everyone loves to watch Jin Yong's martial arts, and everyone praises it, but no one dares to say that Jin Yong's writing is not good, right? Kim (jokingly): That's the good thing about creating buzz, lol. Du: So, your literary concept is quite "orthodox"? Kim: Well, actually my point of view is that of the masses.I think, to borrow the Communist Party's saying that "serve the workers, peasants and soldiers", how can workers, peasants and soldiers understand works like the Nobel Prize in Literature?Take the recently deceased Mao Dun as an example, if you show workers, peasants and soldiers his novel along with a martial arts novel, which one do you think they will accept?They will definitely enjoy reading martial arts novels.That kind of work is naturally well written. Although it is said to serve the masses or the workers, peasants and soldiers, how many workers, peasants and soldiers would really like to read it?There is no doubt about it. Du: From this point of view, at least in this aspect of general literary history, it seems necessary to re-evaluate and correct? Jin: It depends on which aspect it depends on. In terms of reflecting the social background or the depth of the writing, it certainly has its function in reflecting the living conditions of a certain part of the old Shanghai society. It can at least record the social reality at that time, or Even the so-called service to the revolution, of course, this is something that martial arts novels do not have. Ni: In fact, I think that even if we want to express a very correct and serious theme, we can also write it in a very attractive and fascinating way. Isn't the effect better?Why must it be so sacred and inviolable that it keeps people away from thousands of miles away?But, to be honest, there are some pretty good ones out there, some of which are downright unbearable. (This passage seems to be "exaggerated", but in fact, there is some "anti-trend" truth in it, which makes everyone nod their heads.) Jin: Of course, from a certain point of view, these literary works do have their strengths and value. However, if you keep saying that they are meant to serve the masses, it is doubtful whether the masses can understand them.What is the meaning of such a contradiction?Of course we intellectuals can appreciate it, but workers, peasants and soldiers absolutely cannot.So, do you think that the most important thing about a work should be accepted by most people? What Ni Kuang said just now is indeed extreme. I think this issue should be discussed in several parts.I think that in anything, including literature, there must be some advanced, some intermediate, and some ordinary.Just like a car, whether it's a Rolls-Royce or a regular sedan, it should be made because there are people who like it and can afford it and use it.It’s also like watches, some people wear expensive ones, but most people still wear ordinary watches.The same is true for novels, our novels can be said to meet the needs of the masses.Some scholars like to dig into the dead end, and of course we will not object. Ni: Actually, I think most literary critics are out of touch with the masses, just like those film critics, they say good movies must not be hits (laughs).Maybe this is a common problem among ordinary intellectuals. They always think that they are superior to others, and they don't pay attention to the mentality and opinions of the masses at all.Of course, this is not absolute. There are still good literary critics and film critics. Unfortunately, most of these critics are still the same as those who read the emperor’s new clothes, haha! (There was another uproar, which took a while to stop.) Du: From your own point of view, what are your basic requirements for novels? Jin: On the first point, I am the same as Ni Kuang, that is, novels must be good-looking, because the most important thing for a novel is to be good-looking.Secondly, if a novel is only good-looking, and the reader forgets it after reading it, then it is not very interesting.If the characterization is not only good-looking, but also can make readers unforgettable and moving, if the impression is deep and vivid, then it will be a further step.After all, fiction is about reflecting life. Du: Which part of life does it reflect? Kim: Of course all parts of life can and should be reflected, but I think that ultimately emotion is a pretty important part of life.Because a novel is not a journal, one cannot simply write down every move of the characters to be described. A novel should be more refined, so it should focus on the most important emotional issues in life experience.For example, if you describe a student, it is impossible for you to carefully record his English reading in the morning and then such trivial matters as mathematics, but you will choose the one thing that has the most impact on him in a certain period of time to describe and describe , this is the novel. Du: In recent years, due to the increasing popularity and popularity of audio-visual mass media, for example, in Singapore and Malaysia, TV series are the most popular form of entertainment for the masses.Under such circumstances, some people worry that it may pose a threat to novels, like Xia Zhiqing, who even worries that literature will be replaced by this audio-visual mass media in the future.What are your thoughts on this phenomenon and possible trends? Jin: My basic point is that the whole world is always in flux, and it would not be surprising even if all words disappear in the future.I don't think this is too much of a concern.Of course, novels will still exist within the lifetime of our generation. As for thousands of years later, the world may no longer need words, so of course novels may not exist. In fact, novels and TV series are two completely different ways of expression, and people will have their own preferences.In the short run, fiction is bound to continue to exist, but in the long run, it will cease to exist if humans evolve to the point where words are no longer needed as a form of expression.It should come as no surprise that even a form of representation such as the TV series would be replaced by a new form. Just like when we were running a newspaper back then, a new gadget like radio appeared in the United States. At that time, the people who ran the newspaper were very nervous, worried that radio news would replace newspapers. Later, when TV appeared, everyone became even more nervous.However, newspapers still exist today.Of course, if there is no TV, the situation of newspapers will be better, at least they will not be robbed of so many advertisements by TV. (Laughs) However, even in the face of such strong competition, newspapers can still exist, because after all, each has its own mass base and characteristics. I think the same is true for the relationship between novels and serial dramas. Although serial dramas may currently have more audiences than novels, novels will not be eliminated immediately because of this. Du: When it comes to running a newspaper, I think everyone knows that although "Ming Pao" is not the largest newspaper in terms of sales, its quality and standard are recognized by everyone as first-class. For this achievement, you personally What do you think? Jin: Personally, I am naturally quite satisfied.Generally speaking, newspapers are always divided into two extremes. This is especially obvious in the UK. One is based on quality, and the other is popular.Of course, from the perspective of the ideals of the newspaper publishers, they always hope to run a relatively good newspaper, and the sales volume comes second.Taking the current situation of "Ming Pao" as an example, I feel that the content is still not good enough, and there is still room for improvement. Du: This time in Taipei with some friends, especially Shen Dengen, when everyone talked about "Ming Pao" and you, everyone highly praised the standard and quality of your newspaper.Because of this, everyone has a question invariably, that is, what kind of strength and sense of mission is driving you, so that you can run such a high-level newspaper? Jin: I personally joined Ta Kung Pao as soon as I left school.At that time, it was the newspaper with the most status (but not a lot of sales) in China, and it also had a great influence on public opinion. I have liked such a newspaper since I was a student.Later, when I came to Hong Kong, I also worked for Ta Kung Pao.But then I changed course and completely broke with the past tradition. I think that whatever a person does in his life, no matter how big or small, should always make him feel good in retrospect.Of course, this is a goal, and whether it can be achieved is another matter, but we must try our best to do it.Therefore, running a newspaper should also run the best newspaper.Of course, this is also everyone's ideal. If you drive a taxi, you hope that you can drive the best and move towards the best goal. Du: Regarding this point, just now you mentioned public opinion, ideals, and the best goals. This reminds me of your well-known Ming Pao editorial.Here, in the simplest way, I would like to ask you a question that everyone is interested in: why is your editorial so well written? Jin (smiling): This is thanks to everyone.Hong Kong is a place where political struggles are sharp.On the one hand, this is because here is a completely open society, with all kinds of politics.As far as "Ming Pao" is concerned, we are not necessarily better than other newspapers in other respects. However, we have achieved one thing, that is, we are truly independent.If any force wants to influence us, we will absolutely resist.This kind of attitude and position may not be noticed by readers in the short term, but in the long run, readers will understand that we are truly objective, independent and fair.This principle has been maintained for more than 20 years, which can be said to be very difficult, because all kinds of threats and temptations are great.Of course, this is not because I am so great that I can not be moved by threats or temptations.It's just because I think it's enough for a person to maintain a basic life, as long as he can get by. In this way, the temptation is easy to resist.Because of course it's good that you give me a lot of money, but it's a pity that the career I've worked so hard to build is sold to others like this.In this way, after repeated temptations and threats. Du: I heard that you are concentrating on studying Buddhism recently. Why do you become interested in Buddhism? Jin: This question is not easy to answer, because religion is a kind of mystical experience. Believe it or not. This is not rational, but religious.I believe in Buddhism, because I believe that life is like this, so I believe it. As I said just now, writing novels is the pursuit of beauty.When I write editorials, I am discussing truth and falsehood, whether the reasons are sufficient or not, and judging right and wrong.As for Buddhism, it is a religious category. It is a question of whether you believe in it or not. There is no reason to talk about it. Ni: Everyone has a different understanding of Buddha, even Sakyamuni's disciples, everyone has a different understanding. Kim: Yes, it depends on individual personality and experience. Du: I want to ask the last question again, that is, for a "first-class master" like you who has reached the peak state of creation and career, do you feel particularly lonely in your heart from the perspective of creative psychology? Jin: "First-class master" is definitely not a thing. This is not modesty, but my true feeling. The word "peak" is not suitable, maybe it can be used in novels, if the peak means that I will no longer make progress in the future (laughs).As for career and knowledge, it is definitely still far from the peak, because I believe that "Ming Pao" will make a lot of progress, and I will continue to study and learn.As for the problem of loneliness, I think, like ordinary writers, or people who do not have strong religious beliefs, at a certain point, they may feel that life is meaningless and there is no way out, so the problem of loneliness or loneliness arises.As far as I am concerned, I don't feel lonely or not, because I am a person with strong religious beliefs, and I know what I want to be, so there is no question of whether I am lonely or not.