From the perspective of the Chinese, the West’s dealing with China is nothing more than two points: the first is to use the ballistic missile defense system to delay the nuclear weapons in your hands to prevent you from fighting with them; the second is to use financial tools to control you.Of course, the prerequisite for financial tools to manipulate you is that you open the channel for industrial transfer to him.Back then, we did not have the opportunity that the Soviet Union had in 1929. Taking advantage of the large-scale economic crisis in the West, we bought so many technologies and equipment at low prices, and hired so many Western engineers and technicians.If we want to achieve modernization, we have no choice but to act as a base for other people's industrial transfer, the so-called "exchanging the market for technology".However, it should be said that we did not plan carefully when we decided to do this, and it is impossible to have a well-designed strategic direction: one day I will exceed your "big goal".

author interview (1) The book talks about China being a heroic country, what is its connotation?Such a formulation is based on what kind of considerations? My expression in the book on this issue is more subtle, but it can only be expressed in this way-eliminate violence and protect the good, and manage more resources.History has proven that we manage better than other countries and nations. Does "managing more resources" mean more colonization and expansion? Let some people think about it. I didn't say it was new colonization and expansion. They think whatever they want. China has a particularly large population. Based on such a country with a vast territory and a large population, if you are not a heroic country, unable to eradicate violence in this world and manage resources far beyond your own borders, the living standards of our population cannot be improved very much.This is from our selfish point of view.From a big perspective, we are fully capable of maintaining order in the world, managing resources, benefiting the world and contributing to the people of the world.Chairman Mao also said that in the long history, even if the Chinese fell to the bottom, we still have this idea.China has made great contributions to the world, because we have a large population and a large country. In fact, Americans also admit that American Sinologist Xie Shuli, who is a white person, has a Chinese name. She said that the people of China and the United States must have respect for their own. The country has high expectations and has relatively high requirements for its own government. This is determined by the vast territory of these two countries and the large number of people. It is impossible for Irish people to have the ideas of Americans or Chinese.Because he is not qualified.

(2) The book names and surnames question and clear up the thoughts and concepts of some people, such as Long Yongtu, Cui Weiping, Ma Licheng, etc., which may cause some backlash, and may even cause new divisions and debates in the intellectual world. What consequences do you expect from this? This division and controversy already existed, and they scolded me a lot, like Ma Licheng said a lot about me in "Thirty Years of Confrontation", and now I have this opportunity to say a few words.Will this division and debate intensify?Then I don’t know, whether the love intensifies or not, this kind of discussion already exists. We didn’t have the right to speak at that time, and we couldn’t make a voice to scold them. They scolded us every day, and now we just publish a book to say a few words.

(3) The book uses a lot of space to criticize the "literary tune". What is the root of the "literary tune"? What specific harms will "Literary Chamber" cause?How can we stop the spread of "literary tune"? Literary tune does have a weakness in Chinese culture, which has historical roots.This term was first proposed by Song Xiaojun, but it is true that I have experienced it for a long time.I studied in Japan from 1983 to 1986, and I deeply realized that compared with Japanese students in Chinese science and engineering, we are definitely not inferior to them in terms of quality and ability.Our liberal arts students encountered a lot of difficulties when they arrived there. Among the same group of students sent by the Ministry of Education to study abroad, those who did not enter the graduate school after the first year were all liberal arts students. Why, their mathematics and natural sciences were too poor. Japan is very balanced in this regard. The level of their science students may not surpass that of China, but the natural science level of liberal arts students is significantly higher than that of Chinese liberal arts students.This may have something to do with Chinese cultural traditions. Chinese culture of all dynasties paid more attention to rhetoric than to the ability to solve practical problems.

Wang Anshi realized at that time that he was going to reform and cancel the part of poetry and prose in the exam. In fact, he himself wrote very good poems and prose, but he realized that poetry and prose could not solve the problem. If there are too many poets, this society will fail.The existence of this tradition in Chinese culture is the result of China's strength, because China has been very strong for thousands of years, and can live a refined and elegant life leisurely, and can engage in such things as poetry and poetry.The Peony Pavilion of A Dream of Red Mansions has reached a fairly high level. Although it is difficult to compare different backgrounds, I think the West has not reached this level.

The problem is that modern China has been dragged into a brutal competitive environment in which it compares its military and technological strength, and China no longer has the conditions to think gracefully in the past.At this time, science and engineering are the most important, and science and engineering thinking is also the most important, which can be seen in the proportion of arts and sciences in university enrollment.In other countries, there are more liberal arts students than science students. In China, science students account for 80%, and liberal arts students account for 20%.Ordinarily, China should be stronger than them in technology, but history is very difficult to correct.After the Cultural Revolution, there were many liberal arts officials, but their scientific and technological knowledge was too poor, illogical, and even reflected in personal issues, making ridiculous mistakes.When I was in Japan, I felt that China should soon catch up with Japan, because the quality of the students around me was higher than that of the Japanese. Later, I realized that this is not the case at all.The scientific and technological literacy of all Japanese people is very high, and their liberal arts students are far higher than those in China.Literary tune has continued from ancient China, and this kind of continuation is precisely because it was too powerful and rich at that time.

There are too many dangers of literary style.At that time, when I knew that the scientific and technological literacy of the Japanese people was much higher, I still argued with my classmates. I said that the comparison of technology is not the per capita level. As long as one person invents something, we can all use it. We don’t need to compare with them per capita. , the absolute number of our excellent talents is definitely higher than theirs.But when I returned to work in China, I realized that science and technology must be per capita, because if the scientific and technological literacy of the whole people is low, correct opinions will be rejected by officials who do not understand science and technology, and ordinary people will not understand.

Cultural changes are too slow. We have to admit that formal logic was formed in ancient Greece, modern technology was formed in Europe, and we in China are still learning.On the one hand, you can see that China is lagging behind, and on the other hand, you can see that China is learning quickly.Yang Zhenning said in a speech at the Chinese University of Hong Kong that before the 1920s, there were basically no people who knew calculus in China, and the mathematics teaching of good universities in the late 1920s could basically keep pace with the West. When we write this kind of thing, we want everyone to know that literary accents are harmful.Take "River Elegy" as an example. On the one hand, you say that China is cowardly, and on the other hand, you talk about the spirit of martial arts, and both sides block you.If you are right, you are right at one end, but he blocks both sides.It was the same when we did a show in Hunan before. The host was blocked at both ends. This is a problem with the host, but the audience only accepted the beautiful words, and they didn’t have the quality to analyze. This kind of thing can’t be done at the same time.

(4) If China wants to truly become a superpower, is the military strength the first condition?Is building an aircraft carrier an indicator of our becoming a powerful country? That's not a prerequisite, but it's certainly an indispensable part.A superpower needs to be very strong economically. In other words, if it is not strong economically, it cannot be strong militarily.Technology must also be very advanced. There should be endless technological innovations in this world, but we are indeed far behind.In terms of culture, we must also have influence. The United States has this air. No matter how high the level of Hollywood blockbusters are, people all over the world are watching them. We need such things.But I think that cultural things can be left behind, but the economy, technology and military are definitely indispensable.

Building an aircraft carrier is not enough to become a powerful country.Thailand has an aircraft carrier, and Indonesia is about to build it. It should be said that it is ridiculous that we don't build one.We are not among the permanent members of the United Nations. Like Britain and France, they dare not say that they are world powers, even though they all have aircraft carriers.But after all, this thing is not an indicator of a world power, but without this thing, it is definitely not a world power. (5) What is the warning significance of the financial crisis to China?Is China's unswerving industrial upgrading the most effective way to effectively resist economic turmoil in the future?

The biggest warning is that the notion that "finance is the highest level" is wrong. The reason why China has been less impacted this time is because it is relatively backward in finance, and backwardness takes advantage of it.This financial crisis tells us that the manufacturing industry is always the most important. Lang Xianping's so-called "China's real economy will be hit harder, and the United States will only be hit by a financial." Bullshit, look at General Motors now?Citibank, which was similar to ICBC at the time, is now worth one-twentieth of ICBC.Also, what do you want to copy on Wall Street?If you want to copy, you have to go to Detroit and Seattle. We need engineers, not those so-called financial talents.American casinos have a big problem now, and there will definitely be no more casinos in the future. Those special financial products they made will definitely no longer exist after the financial recovery. Americans are also reflecting on themselves. They will cancel these special financial products. Financial talents are all trash, why should the Chinese recruit these trash and liars back? It cannot be said that we can only rely on this item. Economic issues are very complicated, but the most important thing for China is obviously industrial upgrading. (6) "The People's Liberation Army follows China's core interests", does the Somalia escort embody such a proposition? This is a small manifestation.Although many people criticized the Somali escort, at least it has a symbolic meaning, at least it is an exercise for these three ships. Without practice, you will not know your problem.As Song Xiaojun said, whether your steel plate is suitable for the needs of the ocean, you have to drive it out to try it out to know. (7) What kind of damage will the decades-long reverse racism do to the spiritual quality of a country?How can we prevent its growth and spread? The damage is particularly large.From the perspective of the country, it is the disunity of the people who are willing to serve foreigners.From a personal point of view, after arriving in a foreign country, I feel that I am not a person.For example, girls believe that foreigners are very good, and it is bad luck to marry.There are thousands of such examples. Another recent example is the cancellation of Oasis.Originally, I wasn't very serious about this matter, I just supported the Global Times. In fact, I didn't even know about the Oasis band.I didn't expect so many Oasis fans to jump out and scold, so I thought this was really a problem.There are some people who say that he must go abroad and then join the foreign army to fight against China.If China really wanted to fight a foreign enemy, what would you say would be the result.No matter how good their music is, what's wrong?Can you die if you don't listen?Being able to be so fanatic by so few foreign bands, and being able to drive Chinese fans to such a convulsion, I wonder if Oasis has such crazy fans in places like the United Kingdom and the United States. This is terrible, and it must have something to do with the reverse racism environment in China for so many years.Although these intellectuals engaged in reverse racism did not directly intervene in this matter, it definitely has something to do with their education for so many years. Why do I say that listening to Jay Chou is a lowly thing, and listening to British songs is a noble thing ?I put a question mark on whether this group of people can understand those English lyrics.Those fans are quite pitiful, they certainly have nothing to show off, they regard this as their only value, and now they can't bear it once they are hit.In fact, what is it if you can understand it, and what can you do, but it is said by high-level Chinese intellectuals that it is very advanced, and if you don’t understand it, you are a coward.I just like Errenzhuan, what's wrong?In the eyes of the British royal family, the Oasis band is just a duo. Why is the duo in the UK so high?Is the level of Errenzhuan in China low?This is caused by this big environment. As for why the government canceled the concert, I don't know and I don't want to know.But because of this trivial matter, you are convulsed, and you say you are shooting us with guns and cannons. This matter is worthy of attention. I used to underestimate cultural matters before, but seeing you guys come here so crazy, it is right to cancel this matter. Now I think culture is really important. I was born in science and often pay attention to hard technology. , It is really important to look at culture now. Spreading our book is an important step in stopping their spread, which I have fought for more than 20 years.We didn’t have the opportunity to publish this kind of book in the past. Of course, we hope that we can debate on TV in the future, and the dissemination effect will be greater. But now when we have not mastered the right to speak on TV and newspapers, the Southern Newspaper Group will definitely not allow us to speak. At this time, this book can at least convey it for us. (8) Phenomena such as the polarization of the rich and the poor, and the trading of power and money have intensified the resentment of the Chinese people towards internal affairs. Apart from facing up to this resentment, what else can we do? This book talks a lot. What we mean is that we still need a big goal. When a nation has a big goal and wants to accomplish a great cause, it is easier for us when everyone is united and tends to complete it. To correct our shortcomings, for example, the lack of military power, we should strengthen it, the political system is not integrated enough for the people, then we carry out political system reform, then we implement very fast leaps and bounds, and we find that there are some things blocking our progress, then this It's time for us to change.China has a big outward goal to improve internal affairs. (9) Does the strategy of doing business with a sword mean that we have to give up the principle of keeping a low profile? After keeping a low profile for a long time, they are still talking about the China threat theory.This question is unavoidable.A reporter from Hong Kong and Taiwan also asked just now, does this mean that the China threat theory is coming again?This was a problem twenty years ago, and it still exists now, which proves that the strategy of keeping a low profile is not working. Qiao Liang said in 1999 that our book violated their principle of hiding. At that time, we (Ma Lijun?) refuted it, saying that we can hide tactically, but how can we hide strategically? When we had a conversation with Qiao Liang, Qiao Liang said that if we want to hide, there is no way to hide, so how can such a big country hide?Like the ostrich government, it buried its head in, but its tail was still outside.Just like the government, it deceives itself and others, and keeps secrets everywhere, but everyone knows it.Lurking something, and finally restraining oneself, others still don't believe it. We don't need to keep a low profile at all, say what should be said, do what should be done, we must do and make up lessons.Of course, we shouldn’t shout internationally, but we should do what we need to do. If we integrate the people internally, we should still say what we should say, because after all, we can’t just rely on a small group of elites to solve problems. If you can’t do this, you must integrate the people to do it.We mainly talk inwardly.Now it is mainly when we talk to the inside, and someone comes to label you, which is ridiculous.Some words are inappropriate for the government, but it is definitely okay for the people to say. Just like in the United States, this is our freedom of speech, and no one else can control it.But China is different. Let's talk about one thing, just talk about the China threat theory, which is absurd. (10) There is a saying in the market that the "Sanlu milk powder incident" is the spiritual Auschwitz incident of the Chinese people. To use a metaphor, how did the Chinese bear the burden of this Auschwitz trend after this incident? Jerusalem? Still need to improve, politics close to the people and public opinion supervision.Otherwise, how to better integrate the people with one heart and one mind?The minimum requirement, how can you make this society harmonious?We admit that we have serious problems in anti-corruption and public opinion supervision, and we must face up to this problem.And from this perspective, it is necessary for us to progress in an orderly democratic system that does not undermine social stability. Jerusalem represents the holy city in the heart.China actually lacks this holy city. The heroic country we talk about, the big goal is actually the performance of this holy city.The Chinese lack this, from top to bottom.From leadership to civil society.So this book is a book of appeal. It does not mean that China has many conditions ripe for becoming a heroic country, but it means that conditions are ripe and it is possible to achieve such a possibility through hard work.But we now lack such a noble goal in our minds.It is the holy city. Israel and Palestine think they have a holy city, so they can survive and fight, but the Chinese do not.We only care about one period, we only care about the son's period, and the leader only cares about the term of office. Things without roots, this is very scary. When we have further goals, things like Sanlu milk powder are not things at all.We have a different opinion from the liberals. They think that if you can't even solve such a small matter, can you still manage such a big one?This idea is wrong.There is a folk saying in China, which is called solving the small situation by making the big picture, that is, when you have a big goal, the small problems can be easily solved. (11) Does the "conditional break" in foreign relations mean a new wave of narrow nationalism? Can't talk about it.Over the years, we have followed the pace of the West. We have been too soft on them and trusted them too much. We need to reflect.But this kind of introspection is definitely not just what a few of us need to do.For example, Zhang Sheng, the son of General Zhang Aiping, wrote "Coming from the War". It was written that the leadership at that time believed too much in the West. According to Zhang Sheng, General Zhang Aiping had always strongly opposed this thing.But it may be that I have chosen myself too much, and it may not be that I have no responsibility at all. This is not a comparison, but at least this is a reflection.In that book, Xiaoping said that when we have money, we will buy 10,000 planes.Of course, on the one hand, this is a kind of consolation to us. When we have money, we will go to military affairs, but is this plane bought from China or from a foreign country?According to the understanding in the book, it must be bought from a foreign country.General Zhang was furious, saying that this is the way to kill.We depend on them too much, but they keep kicking us.We realize the problem now, and there must have been limitations when looking at the problem at the time, but if they hadn't kept kicking us, we might not have realized this problem. (12) What is the real meaning of a conditional break with the West? That’s what I just said, saying that he is narrow-minded nationalism, I said it was forced out by Westerners (14) Why is it said that the United States is "an old cucumber with green paint"? This is what Xiaojun said.In fact, the United States is not as powerful as it seems on the surface. More specifically, the weapons of the United States are a lot of ostentation.It's just an old cucumber with green paint.And Russia sees the weakness of the United States very clearly in the military. It is not a real cucumber, but an old cucumber.So US military power is not that scary. (15) The idea of ​​"housekeeper culture" in Hong Kong is very new. Will it cause changes in the relationship between Hong Kong and the mainland? I think Hong Kong itself is aware of this.Before the reunification, mainlanders were very discriminated against when they went to Hong Kong, and it was very uncomfortable for people of yellow race to discriminate against people of yellow race.But why there is a change now is because we are stronger, it's that simple.I have marginalized you, and I have led you. If we can't do it, you will be fine.The issues we consider are not issues that you can consider. Our vision goes far beyond cross-strait relations and mainland Hong Kong relations.When the Hong Kong dollar and the people are upside down, the people of Hong Kong will immediately change their mentality.When taking a taxi in Hong Kong to RMB, the driver is very grateful. (16) The outside world thinks that this book is born in an era when China’s international environment is relatively more comfortable. It is a book that directly targets blind optimism. Which "optimistic" mentality we need to abandon, and which ones we want to pass on of? Our book not only directly pierces the mentality of blind optimism, but also directly pierces the mentality of blind pessimism.Both aspects have been said, and there may be more aspects of blind pessimism and self-deprecation.Just to tell everyone that China itself has many problems, including blind pessimism.The book properly recognizes China's position in the world, its weaknesses and strengths, and based on this, it clearly recognizes what kind of big goals China should have.This big goal does not mean that China is within easy reach, but it is indeed hopeful that it will be achieved. (17) Why do you say that Sarkozy's meeting with the Dalai Lama shows that the relationship between China and the West is one of rise and containment? Frankly speaking, from a certain point of view, Sarkozy's meeting with the Dalai Lama is a trivial matter, but he continues to do such trivial matters.He just wants to torment you because he sees that you are strong, so don't use any human rights as an excuse to pretend to be troublesome.There are many places with no human rights than Tibet, China. Is it true that there are too few human rights in Tibet?Many journalists were stunned when they went to Tibet. Unexpectedly, the farmers in Tibet were paid by the state to build houses and raise their children for free, but this has never been seen in Western reports.As for Tibetan culture, not to mention in Tibet, even in Beijing, how many stores sell Tibetan Buddhist supplies, accessories and furniture in Beijing? Tibetan enthusiasts are a large group born in the 1980s, and they all worship Tibetan culture. Who suppressed them?Whoever wiped out their culture, we are promoting it. At last: Wang Xiaodong said: "Now there should be more non-governmental intellectuals spreading such things. The image of the government is already in a mess. One book is not enough. More should be produced to create a trend of thought. Our book is just a throwing away." Part 1 Why China is not happy