Chapter 2 Chapter two

Jianying: Is it also related to the way these people went abroad in the 1980s?It is different from going out to be a student: when you study abroad, you are a student, and when you go out, you are ready to study, so your mentality is different.And these people already have a successful status before going abroad, and they hang you there... Liu Suola: In the beginning, these people were always invited out. They were representatives of the country. I was very happy, because the treatment was very good, and they were received. If you were a writer, you would have the opportunity to speak at the conference and discuss you. Who do you think you are? up.

But in fact, just because you are a "Chinese" writer, you finally realized that you are an imported monkey in a fucking zoo. People will see it fresh!But at the beginning, some people thought that now that a patch was added to the butt, the whole world would know about it.Then, if you return to China quickly, you can still come back and brag about what you are doing in China, and continue to dominate; If you live like a foreigner in the West, then you immediately become zero.Those overseas artists who did not succeed in China in the 1980s, they do not have this hurdle, they can do everything, they will take the issue of earning a living seriously, and they will also face up to the difference between themselves and foreign countries. They have no sense of nostalgia, only Looking forward, it will be much easier to handle.And these successful people have very terrible baggage, they can't go on to experience some real life like other artists.This was caused by this group of people in the 1980s, how should I put it...

Cha Jianying: Psychological barriers. Liu Suola: Yes, we can see many examples, so let’s just run back… Zha Jianying: Then how many people do you think fell from a high place, but stood up again, and then had a clear self-knowledge, began to enter a professional state from an amateur, and then went down to compare their duties? But have you not lost your confidence or lost yourself because of setbacks?For example, some people are silent, give up or simply change careers, thinking that it is too difficult to do this.Or stay in the small Chinese circle, refuse to learn foreign languages, and avoid interacting with foreigners.How many people insist on going down?

Liu Suola: In fact, as long as you stay abroad, you have to keep going.But the way to go is different.As long as you insist on not changing your career abroad, you must pass the test of facing yourself squarely.I think Chen Danqing belongs to the clear-headed category. Zha Jianying: He went out early, in 1982. Liu Suola: Yes, although he was also famous very early, but he did not catch up with the most beloved period in the 1980s.So when he went to New York, he seemed to have disappeared and sank to the bottom, but he was not giving up but was sinking. There was a long period of lonely thinking in New York.He painted a lot of paintings and lived the usual poor life of an artist, but he has been observing and thinking, never giving up or catering to him, and chatting with him will not feel any kind of hypocrisy developed by long-term catering Qi or vanity after a small success, etc., he didn't harbor dark hatred because he couldn't get rich.When it comes to composers, many in our class have struggled for a long time.The four great talents who were smash hits in the 1980s each had different experiences and changes.Recently, I heard Qu Xiaosong's new works, which have changed a lot. I can feel that as a composer, he only puts all his energy into pursuing the subtle changes in music. This is the essence of a pure musician, and he only pursues the sound he wants to hear. .And Guo Wenjing, he didn’t go abroad, but he didn’t adopt the attitude of “I don’t know if I don’t go out”, he is interested in all kinds of music, he lives like a student in China, and like a child when he goes abroad, Have fun with anything.He has always had a particularly open attitude towards music, and he doesn't reject people who come back from outside at all. For example, if you tell him some new information, he will be curious and excited.He has his own way of composing, and he handles every note very seriously, which shows that he can maintain a calm mood in creation—at least most of the time.We've all gone through stages of immaturity and been the subject of controversy because of some superficial fame.Those who have experienced the thrill of jumping from the hot water of China to the cold water of the West are lucky not to be crippled.

Zha Jianying: In fact, sensitive people should be aware of their own limitations without going abroad.Of course, there is a problem of information and vision here. If you haven’t seen many things, it’s really not a standard.The premise is that you have to see the real good things first, and know what is good and bad, and then you may know how much you are.Then you have to have the courage to honestly admit certain facts that may not work against your vanity. This requires a stronger ego, and exaggerated fame and flattery hit people's weaknesses, even if you know it is a distorting mirror.Fortunately, all kinds of information are gradually coming in through various channels.

Liu Suola: Information from outside will gradually come in.If you intentionally make your life unsatisfactory, don't admit the reality, close your eyes and deny a colorful world.But as long as you are a smart and open person, a clear person, you dare to say: tell me what a new trick this is!It's fun! Guo Wenjing belongs to this kind of person.He will listen excitedly, and will also say clearly: I don't quite understand what you're doing, and I'm going to do this now.He is a very clear example. But there are many other examples.Many people, no matter in novels or music, they will close their eyes at all: I don’t want to know, don’t tell me what’s going on outside, I’m awesome.This kind of awesome person is also a product of the 1980s, and no other era can produce this kind of awesome person.I don't know why, the 1980s can give some celebrities such an awesome mentality.

It was only in the 1980s that a group of artists and literati who competed with the old Red Army appeared, and they believed that the country of modern Chinese art must be defeated by themselves. No matter how the times change, they will not fall. Deny me too!We are not as lucky as the old Red Army. Modern art is not political power. It is the exact opposite of political power. Its sanctuary does not lie in stability, but in change.It was this change that caused the lucky ones of the eighties to experience all kinds of hallucinations and psychological problems.For example, those illusions about masters suddenly appeared in front of someone in the 1980s, and that person thought he was a master. After two days of being a master, the times have changed, and the region he lives in has changed. And found that I was no one.The cheers for new artists in the 1980s have never been seen before or since, and that kind of cheers is also an illusion—we seem to be experiencing the modern renaissance of the early 20th century in the West, but as soon as the country’s doors are opened, one Looking at the world, after a long time of trouble, we are all just red sorghum stalks who can read and write!This up and down feeling is a special psychological process.It is also because of the vanity that defined success in the 1980s that it caused various misunderstandings of success in society, such as excessive admiration or excessive hatred of celebrities.People who don't have the phantom on their head will feel aggrieved: how did you succeed?Why is Ya Ting so successful?Why didn't I? ...People don't talk about the essence of art, they always go around in circles on values.