Chapter 54 Face to face with Yi Zhongtian

As soon as "Hundreds of Lectures" "Yi Zhongtian Pin Three Kingdoms" was launched, it immediately caused a sensation across the country. Yi Zhongtian changed from a well-known scholar to an idol sought after by thousands of people.At the same time, some negative voices also followed, including many well-known scholars and public figures.The topic of Yi Zhongtian is slowly heating up.At the request of the audience, "Hundreds of Lectures" specially invited Wang Zhi, a well-known CCTV speaker, to face-to-face with Yi Zhongtian to interpret Yi Zhongtian together. On the fifteenth day of the first lunar month in 2006, it officially started broadcasting, once a week, and for a while, "Yi Zhongtian" and "Three Kingdoms" became the topic of discussion among people.Yi Zhongtian became a hot figure in the cultural circle for a while, and reports about Yi Zhongtian were frequently seen in the newspapers. The cultural hotspots driven by him were called "Yi Zhongtian phenomenon" by the media. "The Beijing News" opened a column to discuss the "Yi Zhongtian phenomenon", and "Sanlian Life Weekly" published an article ""Academic Superman" Yi Zhongtian" which gave Yi Zhongtian another intriguing title.Of course, there are some voices of criticism mixed with these lively voices, and some experts and scholars have even questioned the "Yi Zhongtian phenomenon".

Support and disapproval, praise and accusation, how will Yi Zhongtian respond to the two diametrically opposed voices?Face to face with Yi Zhongtian, and jointly interpret the "Yi Zhongtian Phenomenon", "Hundred Schools Forum" is being broadcast, so stay tuned. Host: Laymen watch the fun, and experts watch the doorway. Similarly, Yi Zhongtian is not the only one in "Hundreds of Lectures". Why are you the most popular now?Where is Yi Zhongtian's trick? Yi Zhongtian: No trick, I don’t have any tricks, it’s very simple, I just talk like I usually do, and I still say that when I get there, the only thing you have to ask is this.It doesn't matter who I'm dealing with, the way I speak doesn't change.It seems that I may not be the hottest, right?

Moderator: Is it my illusion again? Yi: I don’t know. I haven’t researched this question, and no one has made a ranking list, and I can’t answer your question. I don’t have any know-how. Moderator: Why did you do this in the first place? Yi: The direct reason is very simple, that is, "Hundred Schools Forum" found me and said that we would like to invite you to be a keynote speaker.I know there is a "Hundreds of Lectures", but I have never watched it, because I don't watch TV, I thought it was the same as Phoenix Satellite TV's "Century Lecture Hall", that is, it is in a school or in a public A speech given by a venue to an audience, then it is recorded, edited and broadcast.Then I said no problem, because this kind of speech has been done a lot, but let's change the place.Only after I went there did I realize that was not the case.That's the immediate reason, very simple.

Moderator: Why accept it? Yi: This is very simple. You are a teacher, and teaching is your duty. Host: So do you like being on TV? Yi: At that time, it didn’t matter whether you liked it or not, because at that time it was not as busy as it is now. There was always some free time. If you are idle, you are idle. If you are idle, the TV station invites you to go. After you go, you can do it well. It doesn't matter, it's an experience in life.Scholars can have two choices, one is to study for the sake of life, and the other is to study for the sake of learning—there is no difference between superiority and inferiority. Academics are academics, and I have a lot of respect for academics who are truly academics for academics' sake.What I don't like is the kind of academics, for example, for professional titles, academics for fame and fortune.

Moderator: But the conclusion we heard may be just the opposite. For many scholars and people who live in the study, television may be an awkward thing. Didn’t Teacher Yi feel it? Yi: No, this is another question. One is whether it should be done, and the second is whether it can be done. You have now moved to the second question, and I have not finished the first question. .In my opinion, since academics are for the sake of life, then scholars who study for the sake of life must have a life, so what is life?In my opinion, it is experience, and for me, being on TV and doing TV programs is a kind of life experience, so I have to experience it; as for my success, I can experience success, and if I fail, I also experienced failure, at least I also know what is going on with TV.This is why I do it.So the question you just asked...

Moderator: Can it be done.are you comfortable Yi: To be honest? Moderator: Of course, to be honest. Yi: Sometimes it's comfortable, sometimes it's uncomfortable. Moderator: When is it uncomfortable?When is comfort? Yi: Uncomfortable is when you come across a boring show, a bad host, and ask a lot of gossip questions, and you can’t answer them, or you can’t answer them, it’s very uncomfortable. Moderator: But "Hundreds of Lectures" is different. Yi: "Lecture Hall of Hundred Schools" does not have gossip issues. First, it does not have a moderator, and secondly, there is no issue of gossip. Therefore, "Lecture Forum of Hundred Schools" is very comfortable.It is very comfortable to do "Hundreds of Lectures". If you are a person who can take classes, you are also a person who loves to take classes.You must know that I am a teacher who loves teaching. Now I am too tired, otherwise I am very willing to take classes. I am very happy to face so many students or audiences. Maybe it is time to become a teacher.

Moderator: So you mean that everything that happened to you now is unexpected? Yi: It was purely accidental.Many people came to explore this issue, and I said that I have nothing to comment. I have been speaking in this way since I was a child, and I have been speaking for decades.I ran into "Lecture Forum of Hundred Schools" completely by accident, and it was liked by everyone completely by accident, that's all. Moderator: But have you heard any criticism of you? Yi: I have heard it.But there is no face-to-face. Some media asked me, has anyone criticized me in person?I said no, I really hope he sits here face to face to criticize, no one.

Moderator: Do you mind the criticism? Yi: I don't mind, because after something comes out, if many people like it, there must be some people who don't like it, that's for sure. Moderator: What do you think of these criticisms? Yi: Three basic principles. Moderator: Which three? Yi: First, point out flaws and correct them immediately.Because I don’t have time to go online, I entrust my relatives and friends to notify me immediately if anyone finds someone pointing out flaws on the Internet, such as wrong words, wrong pronunciation, wrong place names, wrong people’s names, and wrong allusions. , and if I was really wrong, correct it immediately, and re-record or call the editor-director to change the word the next time I go to record "Hundreds of Lectures".And if I wrote a letter to point it out, I will write back personally, apologizing, and thanking you.The second one, academic issues, should be discussed in the long term.Because if you are discussing academic issues with me, this should be discussed, but I have to have time.Moreover, the discussion of academic issues is a very serious matter. I have to use a formal channel to answer your criticism. For example, if I write an article, whether it is an essay-style article or an essay-style article, Since you have come to discuss with me very seriously, sincerely, and seriously, I will also answer very seriously, sincerely, and seriously.But this will take time, so take a long-term plan.The third principle is that the way of telling is not to argue.Now people are constantly discussing the way of telling, can history be told in this way, should history be told in this way, whether the "Lecture Forum of Hundred Schools" talked about by Yi Zhongtian is academic or entertainment, his success is academic success, Or commercial success?don't argue.

Moderator: Everyone thinks that listening to Mr. Yi's lectures on "Hundreds of Forums" is as interesting as listening to storytelling. If so, why don't we just listen to storytelling? Yi: Yes, this is a great question. I also want to know why. You should ask the audience: Why don’t you just listen to Pingshu and listen to him?I'm sure the audience will answer. Moderator: Do you intend to refer to Pingshu's argument? Yi: I have never heard of storytelling, how to refer to it. Moderator: Then some scholars criticize you for popularizing and vulgarizing history. Yi: Are there any examples and evidence?

Moderator: For example, you compare Liu Bei and Zhuge Liang to "handsome guys"; you apply terms like "junk stocks" and "high-quality stocks" to historical figures that have never existed in the past in real life. Yi: These scholars don’t read much. This practice has existed since ancient times. Someone has been doing it for a long time, and it’s not my invention.For example, Mr. Lu Simian, a master of history, mentioned in "Historical History of the Three Kingdoms", saying that to be a Langguan is to be a civil servant.You can't say that you can't comment on history, can you?

Moderator: Why do you want to add this tail? Yi: Ridiculous. Moderator: Is ridicule related to academics? Yi: Of course you can make jokes. Academic viewpoints can be expressed in various ways, and teasing is one of them.What you are facing now is the TV audience, and you have to use the most concise, clear, popular, and understandable language to make him understand at once, so I used this method of ridicule.Because the ancients wrote history, people who have read a lot of history know that even the history of our ancient Chinese is not the so-called rigor that some scholars imagine or describe. They are very exaggerated. For example, he can record a paragraph. The words, "Millions of floating corpses, bleeding and floating oars", mean that the blood flowed so that the shields floated up. This is impossible, there is not so much blood.It is a literary language, even in our official history, it has literary descriptions, so it doesn’t matter if you make fun of it a little bit at this time, and everyone understands it.Since I was criticized for these words, I actually asked some viewers, and everyone understood what it meant, but the record of the ridicule was too exaggerated, without any other meaning. As for someone who saw something else in it Meaning it's his business. Moderator: It’s not over yet. They think that the words used by Mr. Yi in the middle of the lecture are not very appropriate, even vulgar.For example, for the death of Liu Biao, you told the audience that you went to God.For example, Zhuge Liang is a young talent, but also a handsome guy, the word "handsome guy", they think it is a bit ridiculous to imagine Zhuge Liang as such an image. Yi: Yixiao is generous, is that the original sentence?Have you read "Three Kingdoms"? How does "Three Kingdoms" describe Zhuge Liang? "Eight feet in length and great appearance", what is the name of a handsome guy, Viagra?Also, as I said earlier, Liu Biao cannot see God, and Liu Biao can only see Hades. Is that what they mean?God belongs to the West, Chinese people don’t have God, they can only see the king of Hades, is that what they mean? Moderator: But what I really want to know is, Mr. Yi, did you deliberately use such vocabulary in the course of your lectures? Yi: Let me emphasize again, I always say this to any person at any time, on any occasion, do you think it is deliberate or not? Moderator: Why is there no difference?After all, this is television, after all, it is a mass media. Yi: Yes, does mass media mean not to speak human language? Moderator: It should be different from life. Yi: Who stipulated it?If it should be different from real life, then the show will not be broadcast, and the screening will not pass.Who stipulated it?The king's law stipulates that it's strange and strange. Let me tell you, I also have three principles. One, tell the truth and not tell lies; I call it the "Three Dos and Three Don'ts", and this is my principle. Moderator: Are all the criticisms unreasonable? Yi: No no no.First, I am very eager to criticize, but I hope that this kind of criticism is open first, fair second, and fair third. The so-called openness means that you want your real name and surname to be revealed, because I am To the public, I am clearly identifying myself in this place. Moderator: Is there any criticism that you are willing to accept, or that you think is reasonable? Yi: Yes, but I want to make it clear that one sentence is to say, it does not mean that I will definitely respond to your public appearance, I will definitely accept it.Why do I say this, because now some media have seized on my words to make a fuss: Don't you want to criticize publicly?Didn’t XX openly reveal his identity to criticize you, why didn’t you respond?I just said that I hope that the criticism is public. I didn't say that I will respond to all public criticisms. I have time for the first one, and I have a choice for the second one. Moderator: Is there any criticism that you are willing to accept, or that you are willing to answer? Yi: Yes, in fact, the so-called criticism these days has been boiled down by the media, one size fits all.In fact, it seems to me that the situation is very complicated and there are various situations, but it is true that some of them have been carefully thought out, and some major fundamental problems have been thought of. Moderator: For example? Yi Zhongtian: For example, there is an editor in Shanghai. His signature is Lao Niu. I still don’t know his real name and surname, because there is a bracket when he publishes. Shanghai editor, I don’t know which media or which publication. , who is the last name, I can only call him Lao Niu.Mr. Lao Niu's criticism is quite weighty, because he involves a fundamental problem, he said, he said that I said Cao Cao was "rather to be a real villain than a hypocrite", he said that I sent a dangerous Signal, the society needs to be regulated, and one must have scruples and a bottom line to be a human being. If everyone is a real villain, without any norms, scruples, and bottom line, it will cause great harm to society.Well, I think this is a very serious academic issue, and it is fundamental. Therefore, after finishing my manuscript of "Pin Three Kingdoms", under very nervous conditions, I used 14,000 words to write Answer his question.And in this answer, I express my gratitude and respect to him again and again. Moderator: Where can I see your answer? Yi: In the second appendix of my book "Pin Three Kingdoms", "My View of History" is to answer this criticism.I have great respect for such serious, serious, and weighty criticisms that are indeed made from the standpoint of the future interests of the country and the nation. Even if you and I have different opinions, we can communicate.A fighter may have to fight on the battlefield, but if the opponent is also a tough, brave, and skilled fighter, both sides will respect each other. Moderator: Will you compromise and change your style because of these criticisms? Yi: First, the basic point of view will not change, because this is a result of my thinking for so many years, unless he can point out that my thinking is indeed wrong.The so-called error is nothing more than a wrong logical starting point, or a wrong logical process.Then I think that as long as the starting point is good, the reasoning process is also good, just like we wear clothes, as long as I button the first button correctly, and then button down, I am sure the clothes are worn correctly, then there will be no problem, I will not change.The second is the question of teaching the Fa. I have always spoken in this way, so it is absolutely impossible for me to change the way I speak.If he doesn’t like my way of speaking, he has only one way, which is to mobilize the masses to blow me down. No matter how many articles he posts, no matter how many posts he writes, no matter how much he yells on the Internet Yes, his relevant ability is to mobilize the people of the whole country to drive me out. Moderator: It may not have been possible in the past, but is there such a possibility now? Yi: If it is possible, I will step down voluntarily. If the audience says that we don’t like what you say.Because it's very simple, the audience can use the remote control to vote, if the audience doesn't like me, or only a few people like it, then I will definitely dismiss the get out of class, what's the matter?So I don't have a question of whether to change or not to change this question, only the question of whether to attend class or leave get out of class. Occupying the number one position in the book rankings repeatedly, Yi Zhongtian once again attracted everyone's attention.But it also attracted a lot of criticism. Moderator: Some scholars questioned that Mr. Yi, you are now an academic star or a TV star on "Hundreds of Lectures". My job is a teacher. Yi: Yes, our school has such a management method, that is, each teacher has his own rated workload, as long as you complete the rated workload, then you are at least a qualified teacher.The school will not ask about the remaining time. Some people may use the remaining time to continue their majors, or some other people may use it for other things, such as playing mahjong, such as traveling. , For example, taking part in physical exercise, I think it is also very good, there is nothing wrong with it, I just use the time that others spend playing mahjong and so on to do "Lectures of Hundred Schools", can't it? Moderator: Wouldn’t it be better if I kindly reminded Mr. Yi that he would go to the “Hundreds of Lectures” and spend more time appearing on TV for research? Yi: In fact, the process of making "Lecture Forum of Hundred Schools" is also a research process, but the research process is hidden or buried behind these phenomena, and people don't know it.Marx said that the method of research is not equal to the method of expression, and you cannot speculate on the subsequent research through the method of expression.In fact, in my product Three Kingdoms, I also put forward some views and conclusions that may be different from those of the previous academic circles, at least a non-mainstream opinion, but I did not adopt the usual one in my research results. To express in the way of publishing academic papers and making research reports, I just changed the way of expression.For example, before the Battle of Chibi, the formation of the Sun-Liu Alliance and the decision-making process of the Sun Quan Group, my conclusions are different.Isn't this research? Moderator: It's a good thing, why did it attract so much criticism? Yi: It’s normal. When something comes out, some people like it and some people don’t like it, and some people agree with it and some people disapprove. The more people like and approve, the more voices of dislike and disapproval will be. It is a success. Proportional, very normal. Host: When it comes to the specific column of "Lecture Forum of Hundred Schools", is it TV that made Teacher Yi, or "Teachers Yi" made "Lecture Forum of Hundred Schools"? Yi: Then I can only say that TV has made me.But I'm also always on the lookout for TV ruining me, and I know it. Moderator: How do you say this? Yi: Because TV is a mass media, a public platform, and in such a platform you are actually placed under the spotlight.Especially national TV stations like CCTV, on the one hand, it is a mass media, on the other hand, it is a public platform, so it is a focus of everyone's attention. Once you go to this place, you will put yourself in broad daylight and in full view of the public. In the middle, at this time your advantages and disadvantages are magnified at the same time.But in my opinion, everyone has both shortcomings and advantages. Who can find me a person who has only advantages but no advantages and disadvantages, only achievements and no mistakes?Has it, has it existed throughout the ages?Impossible, God makes mistakes, God doesn't know there is a snake in the Garden of Eden, right?So once you are magnified, the benevolent sees the benevolent and the wise sees wisdom. People who like you see all your strengths, and people who dislike you see all your shortcomings, and people who like you will talk about your strengths very well. It is very good, it cannot be more excellent, and people who hate you will make your shortcomings very large, and it cannot be worse.This is the result of being magnified by the public platform of TV and mass media, so as such a keynote speaker, you must have a clear understanding, and you must not think that you are someone just because you are sought after by so many people, how amazing you are , you can’t be on a TV, have a lot of viewers, have a lot of readers, or have a lot of fans, you think you have really become a master of culture, you are amazing. Moderator: Is Mr. Yi afraid of this kind of result? Are you worried?Or that this kind of result is what you expect. Yi Zhongtian: It was neither what I expected nor what I was worried about. I just let nature take its course. I just did what I wanted to do, what I should do, and what I was able to do.Don't ask about the harvest, just ask about the hard work. Moderator: Do you think it is a good thing that the audience likes the way you lecture? Yi: I don't need to think, I don't need to think. Moderator: Will you consider a responsibility at this time? Yi: The responsibility is this, as long as you are sure enough about what you are telling, there will be no problem.Because everything you do has side effects, it is impossible for you to have no side effects at all, it is impossible, how is it possible?Nutrients also have side effects, even if we eat three meals a day, they also have side effects. How could there be no side effects?If you ask me to have no side effects at all, this is impossible, and no one can do it. As long as your main and mainstream things are correct, there will be no problem.And whether I read the Three Kingdoms or the characters of the Han Dynasty, they are all the conclusions of my serious thinking, but I have changed a relaxed and lively way of expression. I am serious and serious in my bones. Anyone with a discerning eye can see it.And if the audience must watch it as an entertainment program, I don't think there is anything wrong with it, so what's wrong with it? Could it be worse than other entertainment programs?Impossible, it is a program with historical, cultural and academic content after all, please pay attention to my statement, it is a program with historical, cultural and academic content, even if you position it as entertainment, entertainment with academic content is better than no academic content Content entertainment OK!I must have retreated to the bottom line, I am not afraid.People, it’s actually very simple, that is, you have thought through the problem thoroughly and thought it through to the end.What is your worst and worst result? After thinking about it, the worst result of doing "Hundred Schools Lecture Forum" is nothing more than turning it into an entertainment show, and it will be bad in the end. Host: Have you become an entertainment star? Yi: I became an entertainment star, which is bad in the end, but it is an entertainment program with academic content and an entertainment star. If you are exhausted and retreat to this step, let alone not, let alone not, then what are you worried about? What are you worrying about? In a hurry? Moderator: Then do you mind being called "Superman" by academics, or TV stars? Yi: Wang Zhi, it’s not something I can care about or not. The result is the same if I care or not. What about me and necessity?I have such a personality that I don't think about anything I can't change. For example, today it is said that there is a typhoon in Xiamen, do I mind?It's going to rain, my mother is going to get married, do I mind?I sure don't mind.But you asked me if I liked it, and I said no.I have nothing to do if I don’t like it, and they don’t spread the saying that I like, so what can I do. Moderator: However, there are also comments that the popularity of Mr. Yi and your popularity just cater to a kind of impetuous mentality in the society. Yi: I must have just catered to a certain mentality, or a certain demand of the society.As for which kind of mentality and which kind of needs, let the critics make irresponsible remarks, and let the researchers draw conclusions. The first twenty-four episodes have aired.In the first 24 episodes, Mr. Yi Zhongtian took the Battle of Chibi as a watershed, described the process of the formation and struggle of the Cao Cao Group, Liu Bei Group, and Sun Quan Group before the Battle of Chibi, and depicted a group of powerful figures from the Three Kingdoms. Aftertaste. , broadcast every Sunday, so stay tuned.