Chapter 55 On the Internet about "red"

On December 12, 2003, Liu Xinwu was invited to be a guest at the reading forum of the Powerful Country Forum of People's Daily Online, discussing "redness" with netizens. (2:54) Liu Xinwu: Hello, all netizens! Liu Xinwu: Recently, the media reported that I created a branch of "Qinology" in the study of "Redology". I think I I should explain the basic meaning of my "Qin Xue" to netizens.I mainly start from Qin Keqing, the last hairpin of the Twelve Beauties of Jinling, to explore. My exploration mainly focuses on what is Qin Keqing's real origin, that is to say, I want to explore Qin Keqing's life prototype.One of the methods of novel writing is to sublimate the prototype in life into an artistic image.The results of my investigation pointed out that Qin Keqing's prototype was the daughter of the abolished prince in the Kangxi Dynasty.What is the meaning of this discovery?There are four levels of meaning. The first level allows us to understand the background of the Kangxi, Yongzheng, and Qianlong dynasties in which Cao Xueqin wrote.The second level can understand the ups and downs of Cao Xueqin's family's fortunes.The third level can learn about Cao Xueqin's own fate.The fourth level, which is the most important level, is to understand Cao Xueqin's artistic thinking and creative psychology when he was writing.My research results are reflected in my three books. The first is "The Death of Qin Keqing"; the second is "The Mystery of the Three Hairpins in the Red Chamber". Exploration of Miaoyu's fate; the third book is the latest published in 2003, "Drawing Liangchun and Falling Fragrant Dust——Interpretation of "Dream of Red Mansions".

[Big Claw]: Mr. Liu Xinwu, compared to character novels, I prefer your contemporary novels.I thought that you had written enough character novels, and if you write contemporary novels later, your writing will be more authentic. Liu Xinwu: One of the motivations for my research is to absorb nutrition from master Cao Xueqin’s writing, so that I can better write contemporary novels. In 2003, I published two novellas, both of which were published in the magazine "Contemporary" Above, one is the second issue of "The Shrew Chicken" and the other is the sixth issue of "Standing on the Ice". The care of the little people who are ignored.

[Ming Min]: I read dozens of pages of "Red Mansion" some time ago, and I saw a lot of Buddhist things.I wonder if Mr. Liu Xinwu feels the same way? Liu Xinwu: I think it is important to note that Cao Xueqin's writing obviously absorbed a lot of nutrition from Buddhism, but he jumped out of the framework of Buddhism and formed his own unique thinking.Through the image of Jia Baoyu, he expressed a persistent longing for a poetic life in the secular world. [Weishui Sanren]: Which character do you like the most, sir?Why? Liu Xinwu: My favorite character is Miaoyu. Some people are surprised by my liking. For example, Wang Meng once said to me that Miaoyu is disgusting.But I think Miaoyu is a person who is very cherished by Cao Xueqin. Among the twelve beauties in Jinling, the other eleven beauties are either women from the four major families, or women who married into the four major families. Only Miaoyu She has no blood relationship or marriage relationship with the four major families, but Cao Xueqin arranged her among the twelve beauties and ranked her ahead of Wang Xifeng.The reasons why I like her are all reflected in my novel "The Death of Miaoyu" and related articles.

[Tangshan Layman]: I would like to ask the guest a more serious question: Is the neglect of Jiao Da in TV dramas a serious flaw? Liu Xinwu: I don't remember how Jiao Dahe was shown in the TV series, but I affirm that Tangshan Layman attaches great importance to Jiao Da.The character Jiao Da has almost penetrated the four levels of exploration of "Qin Xue" I mentioned earlier. Of course, this cannot be explained clearly in a few words, let's appreciate it together. [lxhl]: Hello, Mr. Liu Xinwu, if I remember correctly, you were originally from Dalian and now live in Anshan.The birth is precisely related to these two places.Born in Dagu Mountain, Xiuyan, under the jurisdiction of Haicheng, Dagu Mountain was later owned by Dalian, and now it is owned by Donggang City, Dandong.Cao Xueqin wrote mainly in Dagushan, and also lived in Xiuyan for a while.The family tree he wrote himself was based on the family tree of his own family in Dagu Mountain, Xiuyan.Now that Xiuyan is in the jurisdiction of Anshan, how do you feel about it?

Liu Xinwu: I'm sorry that I'm not from Dalian, and I don't live in Anshan now. I live in Beijing.However, I attach great importance to the source information you bring up.Mr. Zhou Ruchang has made great contributions to the study of ancestral home, but he seems to have not noticed the information you have.I hope we can keep in touch, and maybe the information you provide can reveal the origin of the Cao family in a deeper way. [Tangshan Layman]: Only two characters, Jiao Da and Grandma Liu, have the character of the people, while the other characters show the decline of the nobility.

Liu Xinwu: I do not use the concept of people's nature in my research, but only use the concept of people.I think the greatness is that it never replaces the individual with the group, and it always seems to tell us that a living individual is more worthy of our attention than any great concept. [Hei Bao]: Guest, Qingwen commented on Baoyu and her maid Bihen taking a bath, which is very meaningful, what do you think? Liu Xinwu: Of course the meaning is very deep. This is Cao Xueqin's brilliance.Jia Baoyu is the most promiscuous. He definitely respects Bihen. After he took a bath, the mat was dripping with water, which is very interesting.

[Weishui Sanren]: Mr. Xinwu, I know you from reading "The Class Teacher" and "The Position of Love", but over the years, I seem to prefer your essays, which are easy and thought-provoking. I don't know you What kind of text do you value more? Liu Xinwu: My current writing involves four aspects: 1. continue to write novels; 2. research; 3. write architectural reviews; 4. write a lot of prose essays.The title of my latest essay is "In the Arms of the Willow Tree", which is not involved in it, but it can be seen that I have gained a feeling of great compassion from it.Thank you for supporting me in continuing to write essays.

[Tangshan Layman]: If I could write novels, I would write Tang Keqing instead of Qin Keqing.What's the point of describing what others have written? Liu Xinwu: You should notice that when Qin Keqing died in the thirteenth episode, Cao Xueqin accepted Zhi Yanzhai’s suggestion out of non-artistic considerations, and deleted the written four or five leaf characters. ", which is actually equivalent to two page numbers today, look how much has been deleted!Moreover, at the end of the eighth chapter, Cao Xueqin had to apply a "patch", saying that Qin Keqing is an abandoned baby from the "Yangshengtang", and there is a reply that there is a doctor Zhang who treats Qin Keqing, but the text does not say that Doctor Zhang is an imperial doctor. What's going on?It can be seen that Cao Xueqin was very depressed when writing the image of Qin Keqing.Therefore, instead of writing about Xue Baochai, which has been fully expressed in my works, I want to write about Qin Keqing. This is because I want to explore, that is, to reveal and restore Cao Xueqin as much as possible. And what he had written or wanted to write had to be deleted.

[Tricycle]: Mr. Liu, how many literati and poets have fought to the death for a illusory novel, is it worth it?Should artists pay more attention to the reflection of social reality? Liu Xinwu: Worth it.Because people need spiritual enjoyment in life, in the illusory poetic description, we can get the joy of dying but not really dying, isn't it worth it? By the way, some netizens may not be clear about what is "Tunyi", "Tunyi" means lost things, and "Tunyi" means to find lost things.It is an unfinished novel. Cao Xueqin’s posthumous manuscripts are generally only the first 80 chapters. To be more precise, the 64th and 67th chapters are suspicious, not necessarily Cao Xueqin’s writing.So too many things have been lost. Please note that the last forty chapters are not the original works of Cao Xueqin, but cobbled together by a publisher, Cheng Weiyuan, and Gao E, who is far lower than Cao Xueqin in all aspects.Please note that it is not that Cao Xueqin did not write the text after the 80th chapter. From Zhiyanzhai's comments, it is revealed that Cao Xueqin has written some final texts of great tragedies. For example, Jia Baoyu was arrested and imprisoned. In the temple, Xiaohong and Qianxue both went to comfort and help him. Qianxue was a girl who was kicked out because Baoyu threw a teacup while drunk in the first few episodes. Many readers thought this role was very unimportant, because she It disappeared soon, but Cao Xueqin had a complete idea. She suddenly appeared in the ending of the great tragedy and played a very important role. Unfortunately, all the written texts were lost.Therefore, one of the major tasks of "Redology" research is to find the lost things as much as possible, which is to explore the lost.

[Space Dust]: Is "Red Learning" a progress or a retrogression for our culture? Liu Xinwu: If the "Red School" is done well, it must play a role in promoting the culture of our country. In 2000, I was invited by the China-British Council and the University of London to give two speeches on the subject. I deeply felt that British Shakespeare and his works have now become figures in the general knowledge field of Chinese primary school students, but Cao Xueqin and It has not yet entered the general knowledge structure of all college students in the UK.Shakespeare is of course good, we should introduce and learn from it, but culture must first consider its carrier, the carrier of Chinese culture is Chinese characters, such a great chapter has been written in Chinese characters, the "red study" formed by it is certainly worthy of our use of Chinese characters People who have studied it carefully, and made Cao Xueqin an integral part of the shared civilization of the entire human being, and entered the general knowledge structure of all elementary school students and above in the world.

[Love is when the world is boundless]: Teacher Liu Xinwu turned to study "Red Studies", is it because there are too few things worth writing about in life? Liu Xinwu: On the contrary, I still write a certain number of novels, a large number of essays and architectural review articles.There are many things worth writing about in my life, but what worries me is how to express these materials that come to my mind in Chinese characters.Therefore, I drew nutrition from many aspects, and the research of "Redology" enabled me to draw a lot of precious nutrition from Cao Xueqin and it. [Shanwai]: Writer Liu, what do you think is the main original intention of Cao Xueqin in writing this book? Liu Xinwu: This question is too important.It is also the biggest topic of endless debate in the "Red Studies" circle.I personally think that Cao Xueqin's family has experienced the political turmoil of the Kang, Yong, and Qian dynasties, and he has also experienced the life course from a rich son to a poor and hungry. Rebelling against freedom of marriage or writing about slaves, although these elements are included in the book, Cao Xueqin's greatness lies in that he transcends politics, family suffering, and personal gains and losses, and enters into a most remarkable life. A realm of in-depth thinking about human existence and human nature.I think he used Jia Yucun's words in the second chapter to reveal his original intention by using Jia Yucun's "the theory that the two endowments of good and evil are inciting each other". , which expresses the infinite affirmation that individual life has the right to live a poetic life. [Lanzhen]: If you have no talent, you can make up for the sky, and you can spend a few years in the world of mortals. These are the two sentences in the book. The original name is Teacher Liu. May I ask what ambition Jia Baoyu has, or whether Mr. Xueqin expresses it in this book? The emotion of underappreciated talents, but why don't we see Baoyu paying more attention to society in Zhongzhong? Liu Xinwu: I don't think Cao Xueqin is trying to express in this book the emotion of being underappreciated.Jia Baoyu was out of tune with that society. Cao Xueqin said that the "stone" had no material to make up for the sky, but in fact he didn't want to make up for the sky.What Jia Baoyu pays attention to is the helpless fate of the short-lived flower-like women.For writers, sometimes the way of paying attention to society can be tortuous and transcendent. [Hei Bao]: Guest, what do you think Xiren would have achieved in his official career and "money map" if he lived to this day?She is too powerful, not only won the monthly profit of two taels of silver, but also drove away potential opponents and insiders. Her talent and viciousness are more in line with the current situation, right? Liu Xinwu: Seeing attackers as "hypocrites" is the same feeling of many readers since the late Qing Dynasty. Gao Exu also handled it in this way. This is probably because we can no longer see how Cao Xueqin wrote about attackers after the 80th chapter. According to Zhiyanzhai It was revealed that after the 80th chapter, Jia's family was raided, Baoyu, Wang Xifeng and others were arrested and imprisoned, Xiren and Jiang Yuhan went to rescue them in prison, so Cao Xueqin portrayed Xiren as a complex character.However, it is also possible for you to interpret Xiren in this way.The greatness of the novel lies in the fact that readers can naturally develop their own likes and dislikes for almost every character, and the likes and dislikes among readers are often opposite. [Happy people have nothing to do with cigarettes]: Mr. Xinwu, please read: Come to the forum, you need to talk about astronomy, geography, and humanistic feelings.Reply to something else, such as a topic other than the Red Chamber.By the way, you drink your saliva first. Liu Xinwu: I am very happy because I never smoke.By the way, I need to drink some water now.I am a big jug, I don’t know how many cups of tea I drink every day, I only drink green tea, I don’t like to drink scented tea, it’s scented tea, what about you? [Symbol]: Mr. Liu, do you use a computer for writing or do you use a grid?We have a few writers here who are adamant about not using computers.Also, did you also feel that there was too little love in your own life when you wrote "Love's Place"?When I was young and in love, that book kind of gave me the green light for my personal love life, thank you! Liu Xinwu: I have been using a computer to write since 1993.Resolutely refuse to use the computer, why?I don't understand them.Of course, my computer's font library is often not enough when writing "Hongxue" articles, because "Hongxue" encounters a lot of very special Chinese characters. Now I answer questions from netizens, and I try to avoid those words, but this small defect is not enough. Affects my enjoyment of writing with a computer. "The Position of Love" is a novel I wrote in 1978, and it has been twenty-five years. At that time, there was not only too little love, but also no public talk about love. Those were the years when human nature was imprisoned.Time has passed, do you think there is too much love now?It's everywhere.Maybe some people who occupy the seats are not true love! [Gong Ruiyan]: What is the biggest shortcoming? Liu Xinwu: I am very glad to enter your post. There are many interesting views in it, but the biggest shortcoming is that it is incomplete.It is certainly a miracle in the history of mankind that an incomplete work has formed a great science - "Red Studies". [Lu's Qiuchun]: There is a saying that the most affected one is,? Liu Xinwu: In fact, there are more than that, like, have had a major impact on Cao Xueqin.It is also very great to emphasize here, because it is the first time that Chinese people use Chinese characters and use a large space to write about the lives of ordinary people in the city. The value of the existence of fairies and monsters, and began to pay attention to the most ordinary social existence, the most ordinary individual life, to show their life and death singing and crying, and the language is very good, some of the now popular sentences appearing in it are: "Fight for a lifetime Dare to pull the emperor off his horse", "the predecessors scattered the soil, and the eyes of the future are lost", all of which have been used in Li.Of course, it is very different from the book, the author of the book adopts a purely objective description method, but it contains ideal factors. [Zeng Dian]: Ask Mr. Liu again——I like the Chinese saying that "the knowledge of the world is knowledge, and the sophistication of human feelings is the article". I saw some articles introducing Mr. Liu, saying that Mr. Liu has good connections and friendship with some ordinary people , what influence did they bring to your writing? It is an excellent literary work, can the author Cao Xueqin's life also be called a successful life?Although he lived in poverty, he wrote this great book. The reason for his success is that he is very familiar with the life he describes? Liu Xinwu: Now I am willing to live on the margins. I seldom participate in on-the-scene activities. I spend a lot of time in the rural study, sometimes go out to paint watercolors in the fields, and take the initiative to contact many migrant workers and low-income people.I get a lot of nourishment from them, which is very important to my writing.I think that a writer should of course be familiar with the life and characters in his writing, but more importantly, there must be a feeling. Cao Xueqin has experienced the prosperity of the family and the annihilation of the family. He is a person who has turned several somersaults. I think It is the ups and downs of fate and his Zen enlightenment that formed his literary thinking, so it is not enough to just be familiar with life. Really, writing needs to sublimate a kind of feeling from life. [Galaxy a]: What do you think of the stone lions in front of Jia's mansion? Liu Xinwu: Liu Xianglian in the book expressed a clear view on this.However, although a lion is clean, it is not a living thing.Although the people in Jia's mansion have various human weaknesses and dark sides, they are all living beings.In contrast, I don't like clean dead things, but live life with uncleanness. [Song Lan]: Mr. Liu, some commented that you are the first person to put forward a "theory" - "Qin Xue" research system on the basis of studying the trajectory of a single character in Dream of Red Mansions.He also said that the new book "Drawing Liangchun with Fragrant Dust - Interpretation of "Dream of Red Mansions"" is a bird song that activates the dull situation of "Redology".But some people say that you, as a writer, put forward "Qin Studies" and called it "academic", which is grandstanding. How do you feel about these views?Do you think the research system of "Qin Studies" has been formally formed? Liu Xinwu: I answered questions from reporters in the fifth issue of the magazine "Literature Freedom" published in Tianjin this year. I announced that my research system of "Redology" has begun to take shape, because I have used it for ten years from 1993 to now. I have time to do this research, and I already have three books that are constantly updated, the latest one is "Drawing Liangchun and Falling Fragrant Dust--Interpretation of "Dream of Red Mansions"", and because I am a novelist, I can In the form of my novels, I have expressed my "Red Learning" exploration results. These are my three exploration novels—"The Death of Qin Keqing", "The Death of Jia Yuanchun", and "The Death of Miaoyu".My "Qinology" research has been encouraged and supported by Mr. Zhou Ruchang, a senior in the "Redology" field. Of course, I have also heard criticism. I welcome criticism, but I hope that critics must read my "Qinology" first. Let’s talk about the book again. Now some critics seem to be very authoritative, but they obviously have not read my related works. I think this is a kind of "scholarship" style.It should be known that the study of "Redology" is a discourse space shared by the public, and it cannot be monopolized by individual "scholars".I hope that more "red school" masters like Zhou Ruchang will treat folk "red school" fanciers with a tolerant attitude. [True Zuobi]: Senior Liu, do you like ancient horoscopes?Can this paragraph evaluate the authenticity of Cao Xueqin's horoscope attainments? Liu Xinwu: This was not written by Cao Xueqin, but by Gao E.Gao E didn't understand Cao Xueqin's hint to Jia Yuanchun's fate at all. Cao Xueqin's original sentence was "a tiger meets a dreamer", Gao E understood it as "a tiger and a rabbit meet a dreamer", so there are some so-called critiques According to the analysis, the tiger is the emperor's side, and the si is a beast representing the side that seized power from the outside. According to Cao Xueqin The idea of ​​Jia Yuanchun was sacrificed in the struggle for power in the court. How could he die peacefully because of eating too much meat and phlegm, as Gao E wrote? (4:58) Liu Xinwu: I am very happy to discuss with netizens on the Internet. I hope there will be such opportunities in the future. Thank you. Because time is limited, many netizens have too late to answer questions. Sorry, goodbye! (5 o'clock sharp) Moderator: Due to time constraints, the guests have other things to do, so the interview ends here.Thank you for your enthusiastic participation!